We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[MoroMurasaki]

So I just ran into this issue again:


It just made me remember how this has actually been something I've been desperately wishing to be changed. I want to be able to buy duplicate armor pieces! For a game that encourages you to level up every job and makes catch-up patches to gear up alts, the fact that we still can't buy duplicate armor pieces in Stormblood is just embarrassing..

The story behind the pic is that my BRD is still wearing those i340 gloves currently from when I left before. I went to go try and buy the gloves for my MCH as shown in the pic, forgetting about this system for that moment and that's what I got. Why not wear my the ones my BRD uses? The Bard's gloves have Skill Speed VI in them which isn't useful for MCH. Having those gloves would've been the perfect upgrade from the Genta gloves it currently has on them but nope I'm screwed. My MCH also can't wear anything else my BRD has because they have different melds I want for them. This leaves me stuck so I just say screw it and fine the best weaker piece I can find.

For dungeons and raids, simply make it where people who already own a piece that drops from a raid, dungeon, or 24man are not given the option to Need, only Greed or Pass. Just.. anything to fix this. We absolutely should have the freedom to buy duplicate pieces of gear just for customization's sake alone. And not only that, but hey, we'd be able to desynth a lot better.

Please SE.

For the record I very much agree that this is an annoying thing which it would be nice if they remedied. There is no use in even having a restriction really, the only thing that might change is people doubling up on certain rings. It really doesn't seem like a necessary roadblock.

That aside everything I know about BRD and everything I've heard from every BRD main I know is about maximizing Crit then DH and then taking Det over Sks. I don't want to tell you for sure what would have been BiS from that tier, I certainly don't know as I don't main BRD, but I just thought it was worth mentioning. Melding SkS seems kinda backwards.

[Magic-Mal]

For the record I very much agree that this is an annoying thing which it would be nice if they remedied. There is no use in even having a restriction really, the only thing that might change is people doubling up on certain rings. It really doesn't seem like a necessary roadblock.

That aside everything I know about BRD and everything I've heard from every BRD main I know is about maximizing Crit then DH and then taking Det over Sks. I don't want to tell you for sure what would have been BiS from that tier, I certainly don't know as I don't main BRD, but I just thought it was worth mentioning. Melding SkS seems kinda backwards.

I'm still playing Heavenward, please understand.

EDIT: Curiosity bit me so I decided to take a look at the stat weights. It said Determination was 0.156 and Skill Speed was 0.155. I guess being stuck in HW world isn't that bad after all! Unless that source was wrong..

[HyoMinPark]

I'm still playing Heavenward, please understand.

EDIT: Curiosity bit me so I decided to take a look at the stat weights. It said Determination was 0.156 and Skill Speed was 0.155. I guess being stuck in HW world isn't that bad after all! Unless that source was wrong..

What source are you looking at? Because the Massive 4.x BRD guide doesn’t use stat weights, and that’s the go-to source for most BRDs that want to optimize (along with Miyuri’s FAQs, and, last I checked, she didn’t list any stat weights in there either). I mean, the 2.40 GCD build may meld Skill Speed, but from the talk I’ve heard from other BRDs, no one ever uses it because the gains are higher when you go full DEX or full Crit; which one BRDs choose between those are strictly down to preference. I’ve been told by a couple theorycrafters that stat weights aren’t officially used anymore due to how easily they can be skewed.

If you look at any Stormblood BRD guide, they advocate for melding as much Critical Hit as you can, followed by Direct Hit. Skill Speed is not a good stat on BRD given all the double weaving you do at optimal levels; the gains it gives your DoTs are minuscule compared to the gains you get from increased Crit (more crit = more procs = more damage). Combined with high ping, you will clip when you double-weave (which there is a lot of in both your opener and your general rotation)—and 4-stack Army’s Paeon gives you +16% haste, so then you’re really clipping everywhere (it’s advised to single-weave only in AP for that reason). The highest Skill Speed rating BRDs have with current BiS is 983 (High Crit build or 2x Tomestone Ring build), and they don’t exactly love it. They only take it because they gain almost 200 extra crit by taking 2 Tomestone rings (1 i370, and 1 i360).

Coming from a BiS BRD, you don’t meld Skill Speed on a BRD. You meld Critical Hit, and then where you can’t meld Crit, Direct Hit. If you can’t meld Direct Hit on to something, then Determination. But never Skill Speed.

EDIT: If you’re referring to this post, 99.9% certain that was a joke post, so you probably shouldn’t go by it. Considering the “stat weights” were from auto-attack dummy parses.

[Magic-Mal]

What source are you looking at? Because the Massive 4.x BRD guide doesn’t use stat weights, and that’s the go-to source for most BRDs that want to optimize (along with Miyuri’s FAQs, and, last I checked, she didn’t list any stat weights in there either). I mean, the 2.40 GCD build may meld Skill Speed, but from the talk I’ve heard from other BRDs, no one ever uses it because the gains are higher when you go full DEX or full Crit; which one BRDs choose between those are strictly down to preference. I’ve been told by a couple theorycrafters that stat weights aren’t officially used anymore due to how easily they can be skewed.

If you look at any Stormblood BRD guide, they advocate for melding as much Critical Hit as you can, followed by Direct Hit. Skill Speed is not a good stat on BRD given all the double weaving you do at optimal levels; the gains it gives your DoTs are minuscule compared to the gains you get from increased Crit (more crit = more procs = more damage). Combined with high ping, you will clip when you double-weave (which there is a lot of in both your opener and your general rotation)—and 4-stack Army’s Paeon gives you +16% haste, so then you’re really clipping everywhere (it’s advised to single-weave only in AP for that reason). The highest Skill Speed rating BRDs have with current BiS is 983 (High Crit build or 2x Tomestone Ring build), and they don’t exactly love it. They only take it because they gain almost 200 extra crit by taking 2 Tomestone rings (1 i370, and 1 i360).

Coming from a BiS BRD, you don’t meld Skill Speed on a BRD. You meld Critical Hit, and then where you can’t meld Crit, Direct Hit. If you can’t meld Direct Hit on to something, then Determination. But never Skill Speed.

It was this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._of_patch_425/

Don't worry I know Crit comes first. I have Crit > Skill Speed > Direct Hit but only because I still haven't done Ridorana yet for the tome weapon upgrade. Once I get it it would be back to Crit > Direct Hit > Skill Speed. When I took a break I still had the Susano Bow equipped, so that's what I'm still currently holding.

I only have 2,178 Crit though because I'm still gearing.

[HyoMinPark]

It was this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._of_patch_425/

Don't worry I know Crit comes first. I have Crit > Skill Speed > Direct Hit but only because I still haven't done Ridorana yet for the tome weapon upgrade. Once I get it it would be back to Crit > Direct Hit > Skill Speed. When I took a break I still had the Susano Bow equipped, so that's what I'm still currently holding.

I edited my post—that post is a joke post. The “weights” were based off of auto-attack dummy parses.

BRD stat priority is Crit > D.Hit > Det. You don’t ever meld Skill Speed on BRD. I’m not really referring to the gear already having the substats on them—though you try to avoid Skill Speed as much as possible; the Tomestone body is absolute garbage and you’ll be better off with an i360 Augmented Crafted body—I’m referring to actually melding Skill Speed. You don’t do that.

[MoroMurasaki]

I'm still playing Heavenward, please understand.

EDIT: Curiosity bit me so I decided to take a look at the stat weights. It said Determination was 0.156 and Skill Speed was 0.155. I guess being stuck in HW world isn't that bad after all! Unless that source was wrong..

I kind of debated not responding to this because I'm happy some of the other parts of your original post got some time in the spotlight. Feel free to go back to talking about them, I need to get this off my chest.

The idea that you were melding the worst substats (and using a weapon outclassed by i330 Creation, i335 Shinryu EX, i340 upgraded creation, i345 Omega raid/Ultimate, i350 crafted, i355 Byakko, i360 mendacity, i365 Tsukuyomi and HoH, i370 upgraded mendacity and i375 Sigma raid/Ultimate) while complaining that you could never achieve BiS because optimal gear is raid locked really annoys me.

I don't understand how you can sit there and honestly put so little effort into researching something as fundamental to a class as substat optimization (on almost assuredly the class which relies on substats the most) and then complain about there being not enough alternatives to raid gear when the only difference from raid and tome gear is substats apart from the weapon . None of it (apart from crit on BRD perhaps) matters as much as one point of Weapon Damage and you've completely invalidated even perfect BiS by using a bow from 50+ ilvl ago.

You're basically shooting yourself in the foot while complaining that other people get bigger guns than you. Maybe before pointing the finger at others you need to look at the hole in your foot and where it came from. Raiders didn't do that.

I'm sorry if this comes off as harsh. I'm really frustrated because we spent pages arguing about this idea that somehow raiders and raiding were responsible for stifling your gear progression and then I find out you haven't even completed the 24man catch up raid when it's been out for months. It feels almost like betrayal because through all of that I functioned on the assumption that you were at least doing your best to gear yourself within your means and just running into a wall where you couldn't improve because of substats on raid gear.

I don't know whether to offer help or just throw my hands up in the air at this point. At least I think we can safely put to rest the idea that raiders are somehow responsible for your gear stagnation. Please only blame us when things are our fault.

[Magic-Mal]

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If wanted to know why my gear is so horrendous right now you could've just asked me why lol. I would've happily answered. It's like you forgot most of what I said throughout this thread including my OP.

I am a returning player. I just came back to this game less than a month ago from a 7 to 8 month break. I never got my tome weapon because O2S didn't want me to have one. Since then I've been trying to catch up on everything that has happened since 4.15 to 4.37(?) and anytime there is new content, I play that with my partner. We play together but he is caught up with other things, as such, I haven't done content like Ridorana. Within the time I've been playing I have been able hoard enough Mendacity to get my i360 tome weapon but because I like -[SUPER BIG DPS JUMPS™]- I haven't equipped it and am waiting for my upgrade(Which I'll get tonight actually!)

So that's the reason why I haven't bought any new weapons for BRD. As for Creation, I'm using those tomes to gear my other jobs MCH, SMN, AST, and DRK. I even have the crafted weapon on SMN and a few crafted pieces on MCH already. However all Mendacity goes to my BRD. I just don't have enough yet.

This thread and my complaints have absolutely nothing to do with my current gear set up right now because obviously I'm not trying to reach super BiS right now with a new raid cycle like, next week. Remember I said the OP was made up of gripes I've held for a long time. Meaning that I was complaining about how the game has not changed since Creator, since Deltascape, since Sigmascape, or even earlier in Midas(upgradable crafted pieces, I'll give them that), not my gear, right now. I hope that clears it up.

And lastly, I have skill speed because I like mashing buttons fast. I already broke a D-pad.

[Lorgana]

Okay but you understand that much like that other guy who didn't want to do anything but craft, when you gripe about the existing system despite having apparently made no concerted effort to work within it, it makes you look just a tiny bit foolish. And if you only made it to O2S last tier before quitting then it further enforces the idea that the reason you have this gripe is that you aren't able to actually clear the content.

You've brought up some good points in this thread after we moved away from the autism storm that was the raid discussion so I suggest we just shimmy away from that again because it looks like we are sneaking back that way.

[Magic-Mal]

Okay but you understand that much like that other guy who didn't want to do anything but craft, when you gripe about the existing system despite having apparently made no concerted effort to work within it, it makes you look just a tiny bit foolish. And if you only made it to O2S last tier before quitting then it further enforces the idea that the reason you have this gripe is that you aren't able to actually clear the content.

You've brought up some good points in this thread after we moved away from the autism storm that was the raid discussion so I suggest we just shimmy away from that again because it looks like we are sneaking back that way.

Sure. But you know I can't just let you say those things about me right? :P

I didn't quit raids I took a break from the game entirely. I was raiding and PvPing. After I got tired of everything(Mostly PvP), I decided I might as well take a break. Plus Monster Hunter was coming in a few months by then so it was a great time to take a break. I clearly stated that the difficulty of the raids(They're actually not really hard) had nothing to do with me not wanting to play them anymore as I have beaten harder things in this game. It had more to do with me disliking the loot system and lack of other gear options after I did O2S 12 times and never won loot.

I'm just trying to make everything about me as clear as possible so all of the false stuff is laid to rest. Because I am definitely not like the other person..

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Sure. But you know I can't just let you say those things about me right? :P

I didn't quit raids I took a break from the game entirely. I was raiding and PvPing. After I got tired of everything(Mostly PvP), I decided I might as well take a break. Plus Monster Hunter was coming in a few months by then so it was a great time to take a break. I clearly stated that the difficulty of the raids(They're actually not really hard) had nothing to do with me not wanting to play them anymore as I have beaten harder things in this game. It had more to do with me disliking the loot system and lack of other gear options after I did O2S 12 times and never won loot.

I'm just trying to make everything about me as clear as possible so all of the false stuff is laid to rest. Because I am definitely not like the other person..

Why didn't you kill O4N each week? It only takes seven weeks to obtain the same token you waited twelve for. This just adds credence to Lorgana's argument. You aren't actively taking advantage of the systems in place, but merely complaining about them. I won't deny there could be improvements made, but when you aren't even bothering to use what's there, your complaints ring a tad hollow.