New items on the mog station

[Alien_Gamer]

(Also if we are nitpicky, if someone is a mount/pet/glamour collector the cash shop does hinder them, because if they want to collect every single one of them but dont want to pay money, they simply cant. They could have every single mount in the game but could not still have a complete collection because of the cash shop ones.)

Sure, lets be nitpicky. Most mounts/minions/glamour are not content, they're rewards for doing content. There's also no additional bonus to getting all the mounts/minions/glamour nor is there any content or additional rewards locked behind getting them all. The literal only reason for getting all of them is to just say you've done it. Just like any other reward in the game, if you want it enough you'll find a way to get it. Want that raid gear? Then learn to raid. Want that relic? Learn to grind Pagos. Want those crafted glams? Farm Canals. Want a cash shop item? Sacrifice your wallet.

[TroySoFab]

Sure, lets be nitpicky. Most mounts/minions/glamour are not content, they're rewards for doing content. There's also no additional bonus to getting all the mounts/minions/glamour nor is there any content or additional rewards locked behind getting them all. The literal only reason for getting all of them is to just say you've done it. Just like any other reward in the game, if you want it enough you'll find a way to get it. Want that raid gear? Then learn to raid. Want that relic? Learn to grind Pagos. Want those crafted glams? Farm Canals. Want a cash shop item? Sacrifice your wallet.

Not sure how something isn't content if it is in the game. Also we all know that glamour is the true end game, so it is most definitely content that has been locked behind an additional pay wall.

The literal only reason for getting all of them is to just say you've done it.

You can apply this logic to everything else in the game, but we aren't paying extra for it... yet

[Sigma-Astra]

Doesnt this just give them the free reign to put anything in the shop? Because if its fine as long as people are able to play the game...that will mean that they could do nearly everything and anyone that would complain would be a whiner. So if you can still get PVE gear through raiding and they at the same time put something similiar in this, it would still be fine, because people could still raid without it.

(Also if we are nitpicky, if someone is a mount/pet/glamour collector the cash shop does hinder them, because if they want to collect every single one of them but dont want to pay money, they simply cant. They could have every single mount in the game but could not still have a complete collection because of the cash shop ones.)

I think you're jumping the gun here and exaggerating the severity of things just a tad. Furthermore, it's SE's product, it's not ours. They're free to do whatever they want with it whether we like it or not and that's not going to change. Companies don't have to give you a reason or explain in great detail every time they change something. The items in the mog station do not and have not ever hindered anyone from playing or getting through the base game. They're just added fluff and luxuries for people's collection, nothing more than that. They're impulse buys.

When you're paying a sub fee, you are paying for the express right to merely just access the game and it's world at large. That's it. It's simple logic.

Pay sub money = be able to play the game

Don't pay sub money = cannot login to play the game

A sub fee has never meant that you're entitled towards having everything else they do for free. And yes, that's being incredibly nitpicking and whining for the other half....mounts, glamour, and minions are rewards and luxuries to please you...they don't stop you from completing content or the main story and until that happens, it is just whining. It's not anyone else's fault but your own that you HAVE to have everything or you'll go nuts.

Do the prices suck? Absolutely.

Is this game breaking and hindering? Absolutly not.

[DracotheDragon]

Does the red hare play a unique song or is it the generic music also Does anyone have a gif of the emote. (Pls don’t hurt me ranty peeps I am just curious ;w; )

[Alleo]

I think you're jumping the gun here and exaggerating the severity of things just a tad. Furthermore, it's SE's product, it's not ours. They're free to do whatever they want with it whether we like it or not and that's not going to change. Companies don't have to give you a reason or explain in great detail every time they change something. The items in the mog station do not and have not ever hindered anyone from playing or getting through the base game. They're just added fluff and luxuries for people's collection, nothing more than that. They're impulse buys.

Yes I used a extreme example but did anyone of us truly believed a few years ago that we would have such a huge cash shop and that we would lose our veteran rewards (one mount since then was all we got..), that we get jump potions or that we soon will have an app that has a sub fee + coins in it? I honestly did not. I believed that there would be at least some borders that they would not cross but thanks to quite some decisions I honestly can see them doing much worse then its right now. And with your argument you give them free reigns to do exactly that.

Its their product but a product is useless if nobody buys it anymore. So no they cant do whatever they want with it because there will be a time where even you and others will say "its enough". And then it will be hard or even impossible to get the good will back. Honestly I have learned enough in my study that money alone is not the most important aspect for a company anymore. To survive on this market you need more than being greedy. Look at EA. They have ruined their reputation so much that people are completely skeptic about their games. They are still earning money but how much more could they make if people still believed in them?

The problem with "its only fluff items" is that the endgame of this game is owning fluff items. How many people are running a lot of stuff only for the rewards? Why could they not have put Sleipnir into the Odin trial? Or the carbuncles? Why do they had to land in the shop while people are already complaining about not having enough to do? When its the fluff items that play a big part in keeping lots of content alive, then it does hurt the game to just put certain items into the shop. Because each exclusive one could have been a ingame reward. (And lets not talk about the manderville costume..who could have been something for Hildibrand ingame)

In the end mount, pets and other stuff are important for quite some people. So they have the right to complain when something like that gets locked behind a pay wall again..exactly how people would have the right to complain if they lock other stuff behind the pay wall.

(And honestly I still find it funny to read some posts here that state how its just luxus items and its fine that they are in there, but at the same time some of these people also posted against the app fee and the coins. x) I am not saying that one could not have different views on these topics, but its interesting how the coins that are also theoretically not hindering you to play the game are a big No no for them, but cash shop is fine.)

[DevonEllwood]

Does the red hare play a unique song or is it the generic music also Does anyone have a gif of the emote. (Pls don’t hurt me ranty peeps I am just curious ;w; )

No gif, but this guy does videos over the new stuff including a video of the emote. The mount has generic music.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Does the red hare play a unique song or is it the generic music also Does anyone have a gif of the emote. (Pls don’t hurt me ranty peeps I am just curious ;w; )

I have it already, and no, sadly, it doesn't. Still a cool mount though.

The problem with "its only fluff items" is that the endgame of this game is owning fluff items. How many people are running a lot of stuff only for the rewards? Why could they not have put Sleipnir into the Odin trial? Or the carbuncles? Why do they had to land in the shop while people are already complaining about not having enough to do? When its the fluff items that play a big part in keeping lots of content alive, then it does hurt the game to just put certain items into the shop. Because each exclusive one could have been a ingame reward. (And lets not talk about the manderville costume..who could have been something for Hildibrand ingame)

They have already spoke about this. There is a different team that handles the cash shop. Everything exclusive on Mogstation exists simply to turn a profit, and wouldn't exist otherwise. This isn't a SE exclusive practice either, most companies handle DLC and micro-transactions in a similar manner. If people refused to by DLC, those same companies wouldn't just put it back in the game. They'd scrap the whole thing entirely.

(And honestly I still find it funny to read some posts here that state how its just luxus items and its fine that they are in there, but at the same time some of these people also posted against the app fee and the coins. x) I am not saying that one could not have different views on these topics, but its interesting how the coins that are also theoretically not hindering you to play the game are a big No no for them, but cash shop is fine.)

Except they can absolutely be a hindrance. If those moggle coins aren't checked, rich people can destroy a server's economy. Not to mention, the premium server locks a much requested feature in moving inventory between retainers behind a paywall. Red Hare is literally nothing more than Sleipnir with a different aesthetic. So you aren't remotely comparing the same things.

[Sigma-Astra]

Yes I used a extreme example but did anyone of us truly believed a few years ago that we would have such a huge cash shop and that we would lose our veteran rewards (one mount since then was all we got..), that we get jump potions or that we soon will have an app that has a sub fee + coins in it? I honestly did not. I believed that there would be at least some borders that they would not cross but thanks to quite some decisions I honestly can see them doing much worse then its right now. And with your argument you give them free reigns to do exactly that.

Again, it's their game. And they'll say more than likely that if you don't like it then take a break or don't play it. They're not going to change their process, or at least, their financial advisors aren't going to care that you find their mog station practices unfair. Again, I think you're being paranoid and looking into things happening that aren't really there. The veteran rewards was just an idea to keep people staying subbed longer than they liked too, and quite honestly, it was a dumb idea. That's all it was....sub [X] amount of days to earn this, and considering that housing, at least if you own one, keeps your sub hostage for an indefinite amount of time so you don't lose it, the veteran rewards was unneeded. I've used the jump potions on my one retainer when I needed to change her gathering job at the time and considering how long it took her to get to 70, those are incredibly useful when you need to switch your retainers main job out for something else you need more.

Its their product but a product is useless if nobody buys it anymore. So no they cant do whatever they want with it because there will be a time where even you and others will say "its enough". And then it will be hard or even impossible to get the good will back. Honestly I have learned enough in my study that money alone is not the most important aspect for a company anymore. To survive on this market you need more than being greedy. Look at EA. They have ruined their reputation so much that people are completely skeptic about their games. They are still earning money but how much more could they make if people still believed in them?

They can. You don't make those calls that it's useless just because you find things about it that you don't agree with. You're not a spokesperson for everyone playing the game exactly. So, please don't try to speak for me or surmise what I would say or determine is enough. What you find useless, another may find it worth-whiled. If I ever drop my sub, it's not going to be because of cash shop fear mongering like you're doing, it'll be because I'm getting tired of repeating the same repetition over and over again in terms of their content. A company seeks to make as much money as possible to stay afloat, that's basic economics 101 with supply & demand. You're partially right that there's more towards the handling of a company than money, but this IS one of the main goals of any business: to make profits. A company cannot survive based on good will alone. You can be the most honest and down to earth company ever. But, if you're not meeting supply & demand or pushing your products effectively, making the right monetary business decisions, then you're dead in the water. You cannot survive based on a good reputation alone, if you're a non-profit? Possibly. But, an actual business with stocks, checks, and balances? No way. Otherwise, other companies will eat them alive like the sharks they are.

The problem with "its only fluff items" is that the endgame of this game is owning fluff items. How many people are running a lot of stuff only for the rewards? Why could they not have put Sleipnir into the Odin trial? Or the carbuncles? Why do they had to land in the shop while people are already complaining about not having enough to do? When its the fluff items that play a big part in keeping lots of content alive, then it does hurt the game to just put certain items into the shop. Because each exclusive one could have been a ingame reward. (And lets not talk about the manderville costume..who could have been something for Hildibrand ingame)

It's not hurting the game, it's only hurting you and the people who don't want to spend the money. That's it. If it were hurting the game, then we wouldn't be seeing so many people buying said items on their first release into the cash shop. You just don't want to pay for it with your own money, that's all there is to it. That's it. You are not entitled towards items for free by paying a sub fee if everyone else has to pay for the same item. You guys continue to say that it's not right, it's unfair, it's greedy, and yes some portions of it are greedy, but it's not going away so long as people keep buying it no matter how much you wish it was.

In the end mount, pets and other stuff are important for quite some people. So they have the right to complain when something like that gets locked behind a pay wall again..exactly how people would have the right to complain if they lock other stuff behind the pay wall.

You're right, they have their rights to complain. However, that's it. It's not SE's fault, it's not your fault, it's not my fault that there are people that have to HAVE everything. If it were that important to them, then they'd more than likely pay for it.

(And honestly I still find it funny to read some posts here that state how its just luxus items and its fine that they are in there, but at the same time some of these people also posted against the app fee and the coins. x) I am not saying that one could not have different views on these topics, but its interesting how the coins that are also theoretically not hindering you to play the game are a big No no for them, but cash shop is fine.)

Items in the Mog Station are just luxury items. They're impulse buys and extras that you don't REALLY need, but they're there if you WANT them. Again, with the companion app, you're making a strawmen comparison because that's not even the topic at hand here. You're deflecting off of the Mog Station for something that's not theoretically the same thing.

[Iscah]

I can accept having paid extras, particularly if it's run by a separate team and "the items wouldn't exist if they weren't paid extras", but I do really wish the selling price was lower. Even if they charged the current higher prices for those who want the newest shiniest thing and then dropped it after a while.

As it currently exists, each set is just too expensive and I don't want to spend over $20 on one virtual item. I *may* after much hestitating (literally months) finally decide to buy ONE item. On sale. And still feel like it's too expensive.

Price them at $5 or even $10 and I probably would have spent that amount of money by now, because "it's only $5" each time. SE would have spent the same amount of money creating them, gotten the same amount of money out of me (potentially more if I then have to hire a retainer to store the additional items!) but I'd be happier about what I got out of it. Multiply that by however many other customers are more willing to part with their money.

Do they really make more money, comparatively, out of the smaller amount of people willing to pay the current high prices?

[Rofel]

Do they really make more money, comparatively, out of the smaller amount of people willing to pay the current high prices?

There are mounts costing 30 bucks. I know people who buy stuff like that and resubs just to try on the item. There are people who pay that twice, thrice, because of their alts. I can't say if it is a lot, but in times where content dries quickly and mindless stuff like Pagos is the highlight of the month... one mount + new set of clothes + one resub would cover for people who is not resubing. At the rate they are putting stuff on the cash shop, gotta be working.

Just my opinion: I'm not a big fan, considering the cost (higher than a sub), how faster the cash shop gets stuff when they implemented Achievement Points and we have nothing to spend it.