White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[kikix12]

That’s assuming that each person’s copy of the earrings exists as a separate item, that can be individually renamed.

Except that's not relevant. The process is the same.

Find copies obtained during X time. Change their database entry. It's only a matter of whether what you change is the name directly or a database entry, really.

What does matter is what another poster said, the way armoire works. That does greatly complicate the matter because the code would need to discern between the item being created by armoire and by another source. Alternatively it would need to check logs for the oldest instance of it being created (if they even have logs from way back). Still possible (and if going the road of differentiation of the source, it would not matter even if someone did claim their legacy earrings during the event, but it may not be possible), but a whole lot harder.

Automation is a very important aspect to database management. Your system does it every time you copy/paste anything. If you'll look more in-depth into games (especially RPG) with names of random NPC's, you'll notice that varied NPC's may have the same names and be editable separately, too. That's because there's more to it than just the visible label. There's tons of possibilities. It is entirely possible for individual items to get unique ID during their creation on top of their database ID. This is used to prevent duping, as the system can catch a duped item by sharing ID with another of the same type. Something that would not be possible through legit methods that all add unique ID. If this was used (I doubt it...it's a bit less obvious and a bit more demanding, while the developers seemingly cannot even follow the obvious good coding practices), one could even change the item database ID's through the item ID numbers.

[Enkidoh]

As someone who has spent a very large amount of time trawling the internet and Youtube to find bits of text regarding the storyline of FFXIV 1.0, this is terrible! I've seen what I believe to be most of the cutscenes following the main storyline of 1.X, but being just the cutscenes, there are fairly large gaps between sequences at times that don't make sense without the context of the quests in between. I would have liked to know everything that was said to make sense of what was there, despite being "shambles". A book or a DVD would've shown me everything I want to know, and would still like for one to happen. I've greatly enjoyed it when I can make connections between the same characters in 1.x and 2.x.

SE actually did release a compilation disc of 1.0 cutscenes with the Collector's Edition of ARR, called The Waning of the Sixth Sun. This disc only includes the 7th Umbral Era event cutscenes though, it does not include cutscenes for the original 1.0 starting city storylines and the truncated Path of the Twelve story. This is because those storylines were being cannibalized for ideas and concepts for ARR's storyline, and SE probably did not want to 'spoil' that.

Thus, this shows that really only the 7th Umbral Era story is still fully 'canon' to ARR - the original starting city story and the Path of the Twelve were effectively abandoned and retconned (quite a few ideas and 1.0 story concepts still remain canon in ARR, such as F'lhaminn and her connection to Thancred, and Minfilia's deceased father Warburton), but the majority of 1.0's original story has been quietly ignored or outright decanonized, SE seeming to adopt a "it's only still canon if we say so" stance unfortunately in regards to 1.0's story).

Though I suppose at least that little bit about forcing the 1.0 storyline into the Seventh Umbral Era arc explains the biggest gap of them all. The last of the earliest main quest cutscenes(I think, anyway) ends with you talking to Minfillia about the Resistance no longer sending people south to suddenly launching into the Seventh Umbral Era. I tried really hard to find something, anything that made a connection, but if there really isn't anything, that explains why I have not found it.

It's ironic this comes out of a topic about the White Ravens, I suppose. The main reason I started fishing around for 1.0 storyline was because I was doing the Coils for the first time during HW when I got to the Nael fight. After the cutscenes and all were done, I just had to know who Nael actually was and why s/he was there. So I set about trying to find out.

To end, I suppose I'll just say, I'm so upset that my computer at the time couldn't handle 1.X. I really wanted to play it, I did. I was there, but my computer would force a shutdown due to overheating if I went anywhere other then Thanalan, so I gave up on it. Alas, not everything works out.

That was because the Path of the Twelve story was effectively abandoned after that quest ('Future's Perfect'), due to the staff change-over from Tanaka's original team to Yoshi's team (that then decided to replace 1.0 with ARR completely), and so repurposed the storyline for the '7th Umbral Era' events to explain lore-wise the replacement of the zones with new maps (the original zone design being a major complaint of the original game).

Some dialogue and cutscenes for the planned future Path of the Twelve story beyond Future's Perfect did make into 1.0's client, but they were dummied out and never used, a shame, as that specific quest line is canon in ARR, as it concerned the Company of Heroes encountering Titan (from what I understand the player and their Path Companion were meant to head to O'ghomorro, only to find the kobolds had already summoned Titan and the Company of Heroes were already engaged in battle with him, something that naturally does not end well).

The reason this story was never implemented was the same reason Leviathan also never made it into 1.0, despite his model also being likewise included in the game files, and that was because to the terrible earthquake and tsunami that devastated Japan in March 2011 -SE naturally felt having storylines that involved summons that evoke earthquakes and tsunamis would be too insensitive to Japanese players (SE actually had to shut down the game servers temporarily for two weeks by order of the Japanese government at that time as a power-saving effort).

Either way, sadly the Path of the Twelve storyline ultimately ended up being quietly dropped at that point and was never completed, with the 7th Umbral Era story taking over (when Primal fights were added, besides Ifrit and Garuda a more 'cute' summon was decided to be added instead of Titan and Leviathan in the form of Good King Moggle Mog.

I admit it may be confusing to a new player, but really, the way ARR is written, ARR's main scenario really does not require knowledge of these prior events to enjoy or understand, as ARR really just retread the same ideas and concepts 1.0 had already dealt with, but in a different manner. So don't feel you've really missed out on that much only joining the game in ARR.

[Dzian]

Throwing a tantrum over silly earrings. There goes the myth that legacy players support this game.

"Oh no others can have earrings trough an event i had before them but never wore thoose earrings, how dare of you SE."
Just get over it, it's just earrings noone cares.

As has been said many times what the item is makes no difference the issue lies in what that item represents and signifies.

i said earlier in the thread it's exactly the same as olympic medals... if they just gave everyone a gold medal then it loses all meaning and significance. also destroys motivation. i mean hell if your gonna get gold no matter where you finish why bother trying?

Or hell even milatary medals. my great grandad has medals and crosses for things he did in the military that are impossible to obtain today. "The Burma Star" for one example" noone in todays military can get that medal nor is anyone in todays military entitled to it.. and if they started handed them out to every rookie who simply passes basic training it would be considered a major insult to all those who were actually there and fought at the time.

the white ravens is exactly the same principal.

[Emstidor]

i said earlier in the thread it's exactly the same as olympic medals... if they just gave everyone a gold medal then it loses all meaning and significance. also destroys motivation. i mean hell if your gonna get gold no matter where you finish why bother trying?

Or hell even milatary medals. my great grandad has medals and crosses for things he did in the military that are impossible to obtain today. "The Burma Star" for one example".

Thank you for the hearty laugh and disbelieving headshake that I got from your post.

[solracht]

It's a real shame that they were essentially coerced into apologising. They did nothing wrong and some of the loudest voices were driven by entitlement and a selfish desire to be 'exclusive' whilst others were getting outraged on behalf of the vocal minority and completely ignoring the 1.0 players who spoke up and said they had no issue with the move.

Put your made-up narrative aside for a second and actually go through this thread again. What actually happened here (can't speak for the JP/FR forums) is a very niche part of the playerbase posted about something they cared about, and then people like you worked incredibly hard to keep the thread alive for almost two weeks by continuously arguing semantics, aggressively engaging posters, fishing for last words in arguments, and making fun of things other people like.

Had you (and others who were opposed to the OP) simply responded once or twice with your counter-feedback and then moved on with your lives, this thread would've never gotten this big and it would've quickly been lost to oblivion.

Having visibility and activity in a fast-moving, cross-region forum such as this one is honestly almost as important as the actual feedback being posted. Let's not fool ourselves: the community managers don't have time to go through every single post of every big thread and I'd be surprised if anything beyond the top Liked posts and the size of this thread actually reached Yoshida.

I'm not saying posters like you directly made this happen, but it definitely would not have happened without you guys. Don't be so salty about reaping what you helped sow.


Honorable mention to a certain other poster who posted no less than FOUR snide comments about the length of the thread... which has the funny side-effect of moving the thread back to the top of the forums and ensuring it continues to grow.

[Duskane]

As has been said many times what the item is makes no difference the issue lies in what that item represents and signifies.

i said earlier in the thread it's exactly the same as olympic medals... if they just gave everyone a gold medal then it loses all meaning and significance. also destroys motivation. i mean hell if your gonna get gold no matter where you finish why bother trying?

Or hell even milatary medals. my great grandad has medals and crosses for things he did in the military that are impossible to obtain today. "The Burma Star" for one example" noone in todays military can get that medal nor is anyone in todays military entitled to it.. and if they started handed them out to every rookie who simply passes basic training it would be considered a major insult to all those who were actually there and fought at the time.

the white ravens is exactly the same principal.

yeah the difference is
these are not Olympic medals that take almost all your life of training to get
these are not War medals for that you risk your life to help your country (you don't join the army to earn medals)
these are digital earrings that do not take away your achievement or memories of clearing the trial.
everyone having a chance to get these earrings doesn't take away the fact that you can look at your pair of earrings and go "i did the original fight " then doze off into memory lane.

[solracht]

felt the need to post 41 times in this thread. More than anyone else.

He was definitely the true MVP!

[Darrcyphfeid]

yeah the difference is

No kiddin'? It's almost as if he used real life examples to illustrate a point to people that are arguing in bad faith and being unreasonably condescending that someone might actually find value in their time investment being rewarded.

It's not now, and never will be, about a singular item. It's entirely about the concept of devaluing, and that has every bit as much to do with the future of this game as it does the past. If they "take away" the prestige of Ultimate in Shadowbringers by allowing you to undersize it, they are in fact disrespecting the time and energy - and money, in some cases, as people actually used vacation days to pursue world first - spent by anyone that ever touched it. But they're also making it clear that any time you spend in Ultimates come 5.0 will similarly be devalued, and that is very much a legitimate consideration when asking yourself if you want to dedicate a large number of hours now versus getting it ostensibly for nothing later.

[Theodric]

Well, this thread took a pretty creepy turn.

Thankfully we can safely ignore any commentary that implies that raiding is the only accomplishment that matters. It isn't. Way to miss the point of my earlier comments, though - ironically you're just reinforcing the fact that I said some people don't care about the items themselves and only want to brag and belittle others.

I slaved away to acquire the Yo-Kai and Garo mounts, under the impression that they would be only available for a sort time. A lot of blood, sweat and tears were involved. I acquired everything from both events. Then it later turned out that the Garo event was to be permanent and the Yo-Kai event was added for a second time. That didn't bother me at all. I still have the sense of accomplishment from acquiring them when they were first available and I get to see other people enjoy them.

Which is, I suppose, the big difference. I want to see other people enjoy the same things I do. I encourage it. It doesn't devalue my accomplishments at all.

[Darrcyphfeid]

Well, this thread took a pretty creepy turn.

It's a public forum, lad. Your deflections are the case against you in and of itself. Who you are and what you do(n't do) matter.

Thankfully we can safely ignore any commentary that implies that raiding is the only accomplishment that matters. It isn't. Way to miss the point of my earlier comments, though - ironically you're just reinforcing the fact that I said some people don't care about the items themselves and only want to brag and belittle others.

Feel free to check me in return; I've cleared Coil and A4S. Nothing else. Will never set foot in Ultimate.

My point was to illustrate your hypocrisy. It's okay for you to post about things you have absolutely no stake in, but it's not okay for 2.0+ players to share the opinion opposite your own because they haven't played 1.0?

Here's a non-raiding example for you: Anyone that did the grind for Fenrir, Adamantoise, Cloud Strife Card, et al had their efforts devalued by Fashion Report. People now only have to speak to Redolent Rose 13 times to grab a free Fenrir. People that ground out MGP for Fenrir, are now significantly less inclined to grind out future MGP goodies. Not that they need to anyway unless a future item costs multiple millions of MGP.

I slaved away to acquire the Yo-Kai and Garo mounts, under the impression that they would be only available for a sort time. A lot of blood, sweat and tears were involved. I acquired everything from both events. Then it later turned out that the Garo event was to be permanent and the Yo-Kai event was added for a second time. That didn't bother me at all. I still have the sense of accomplishment from acquiring them when they were first available and I get to see other people enjoy them.

False equivalence. Yokai and Garo weren't nerfed, the grind was the same. Your items were not given away for no effort.

Which is, I suppose, the big difference. I want to see other people enjoy the same things I do. I encourage it. It doesn't devalue my accomplishments at all.

And one for the road: No one in this thread wishes to deny latecomers and casuals from (most) rewards. Specifically in the case of the White Ravens you know exactly why people are upset: Something they had to work for was just, quite literally, handed out to anyone lv30 or higher that can get into The Rising 2018 instance. It's not their fault the battle doesn't exist anymore.