Suggestion for 5.0 - Place lvl 30 ability on job stone

[Iscah]

Am I the only one not sure where your character actually equips the stones?

I've wondered that too! Any time you see them you're just holding it, not attached to anything.

The lorebook just says they are worn "close to the skin".

My best serious guess would be that you might put it in a pouch on a necklace.

I wonder if you have to be careful with handling multiple soulstones at once?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

The issue is that everyone is looking at old content through SB lenses.

What difference does it make? All dungeons 60 and below were nerfed. I leveled an alt recently and held aggro without Shield Oath just fine. The mobs do next to nothing now even if they do toward a DPS momentarily.

[Duskane]

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[BillyKaplan]

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[Legion88]

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This is the reason why so many wish that classes can only queue in as a full party, corresponding to content, from lvl X onwards.
In my opinion X schould be 50, and gear from lvl 50 onwards should be job only.

[KisaiTenshi]

What difference does it make? All dungeons 60 and below were nerfed. I leveled an alt recently and held aggro without Shield Oath just fine. The mobs do next to nothing now even if they do toward a DPS momentarily.

People keep thinking that the old content was "always easy", no it wasn't at release. Entire toolkits were changed since. The closest thing you get to release-day ARR difficultly level is a party full of sprouts, and that you only get by rolling a new character. Even then, the closest to how release-day ARR even played, players stopped and marked targets, nobody does that now. Players used crowd control like sleep, nobody ever uses that now either.

Release-day ARR, you had to level two classes to unlock a job, and many players simply didn't, or were not aware of this until other players mentioned it to them, usually in the very same scenario being complained about in this thread. Release-day ARR had tanks taking cure and stone-skin from conjurer because they could. You could, and people absolutely did, clear ARR without taking a job stone. You can probably find dozens of posts like this on the forum if you use the search button.

The only change, at-all, that should come from equipping or not-equipping the job-stone is equipment. Most gear other than the relic gear allows it to be equipped by both the class and job that it belongs to. If SE really wanted us to not be able to play classes at level 50/60/70, then they would remove the classes from all gear after 50/60/70. If one wanted an actual challenge, they could even try playing the level 70 content without the job stone, I don't imagine it would be fun for tanks and healers though, as having all 10 role skills doesn't replace any of the level 50+ job skills.

[Deceptus]

People keep thinking that the old content was "always easy", no it wasn't at release. Entire toolkits were changed since. The closest thing you get to release-day ARR difficultly level is a party full of sprouts, and that you only get by rolling a new character. Even then, the closest to how release-day ARR even played, players stopped and marked targets, nobody does that now. Players used crowd control like sleep, nobody ever uses that now either.
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Seriously. Go do some minimum ilvl runs or do some dungeons at below ilvl.

Release-day ARR had tanks taking cure and stone-skin from conjurer because they could. You could, and people absolutely did, clear ARR without taking a job stone.
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I knew some people who didn't equip the job stone because they wanted access to Raging Strikes, Inner Release (the crit buff) Straight Shot (Another Crit buff). IIRC Warriors did that a lot when their tanking kit sucked. Early in 4 man PvP's days, a Marauder (not a warrior) was THE preferred "tank" because it was basically a 3rd dps.

People either forget or don't know about the original 10 cross class slots that existed before you equipped the job stone and then reduced to 5 when you equipped it.

[KisaiTenshi]

Seriously. Go do some minimum ilvl runs or do some dungeons at below ilvl.

I have a video from 2.0 hotfix 3, Level 30 WHM, with all new players. It's 40 minutes. 50 minutes remaining in the dungeon at the end, where every use of medica rips the enmity from the tank.

I've already experienced ARR when it offered some challenge, because I was there. Among my screenshots from september 2013, I have WHM at level 30, but archer (not bard) at level 40. That just shows you how bad the DPS queues were, because I only switched to conjurer/whm after getting fed up with the 2+ hour dps queues.

I knew some people who didn't equip the job stone because they wanted access to Raging Strikes, Inner Release (the crit buff) Straight Shot (Another Crit buff). IIRC Warriors did that a lot when their tanking kit sucked. Early in 4 man PvP's days, a Marauder (not a warrior) was THE preferred "tank" because it was basically a 3rd dps.

People either forget or don't know about the original 10 cross class slots that existed before you equipped the job stone and then reduced to 5 when you equipped it.

The original cross-class slots actually allowed for this, too bad SE didn't know what to do with it, and basically carved out half of the job's existing kits, and put it in the role actions, while still keeping them at 5 for the job stone and 10 for the class without a stone. Yes, that's right, before role actions, if you didn't have the job stone equipped, not only could you equip 10, you could straight up take skills from other jobs. With the job stone equipped, the number you could take and which ones were cut in half.

So the game left a door open to keep using the classes by combining other skills from other classes, but closed that door with SB and the change to role actions. I wouldn't particularly care to go back, but I think it needs to be revisited why players picked skills that were almost entirely useless (eg blizzard II for tagging FATES) back then, versus "completely useless" role actions that nobody uses because they don't do damage and can't be put into a rotation.

[RyuDragnier]

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[Deceptus]

, but I think it needs to be revisited why players picked skills that were almost entirely useless (eg blizzard II for tagging FATES) back then, versus "completely useless" role actions that nobody uses because they don't do damage and can't be put into a rotation.

Blizz 2 was a decent aoe when classes like WHM didn't have access to one before Holy. I still think a role action should be a basic 50-80 pot AoE.

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Honestly at that point, what are you even equipping weapon wise?