Cutscenes for Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium: A Suggestion

[Niwashi]

If you're not playing the game to get through content, as in this case where people are watching Netflix while unskipable cutscenes fire off, then you are not playing this game.

I will never respect the opinion of someone who considers not playing the game to be engaging content.

True and irrelevant, since nobody has suggested not playing is engaging content. If you're not playing, you shouldn't be there. If you're going to watch Netflix instead, you shouldn't be there. Those of us who are really playing and enjoy it, because it IS engaging content would prefer if you weren't there. Quit griping about something you shouldn't even be doing in the first place.

This being an mmo justifies nothing.

You complained about it having rewards, but rewards for content are an integral part of MMOs. If every piece of content in the game that has rewards associated with it were gone, how much of a game do you think we'd have left? Why pick on this piece and declare that the existence of rewards proves it's bad content? Wouldn't that argument work just as well applied to pretty much everything else in the entire game?

[van_arn]

True and irrelevant, since nobody has suggested not playing is engaging content. If you're not playing, you shouldn't be there. If you're going to watch Netflix instead, you shouldn't be there. Those of us who are really playing and enjoy it, because it IS engaging content would prefer if you weren't there. Quit griping about something you shouldn't even be doing in the first place.



You complained about it having rewards, but rewards for content are an integral part of MMOs. If every piece of content in the game that has rewards associated with it were gone, how much of a game do you think we'd have left? Why pick on this piece and declare that the existence of rewards proves it's bad content? Wouldn't that argument work just as well applied to pretty much everything else in the entire game?

If you consider rewatching the same cutscenes over and over that you've seen a dozen times before engaging, you have no taste and aren't really qualified to hold an opinion over what's worth holding onto.

Those that run the msq roulette do so only paying attention to the game in a cursory sense, or mistake spamming chat as running a dungeon.

All of the above are a sign the dungeon needs to be removed or retooled.

[RokkuEkkusu]

If you consider rewatching the same cutscenes over and over that you've seen a dozen times before engaging, you have no taste and aren't really qualified to hold an opinion over what's worth holding onto.

Those that run the msq roulette do so only paying attention to the game in a cursory sense, or mistake spamming chat as running a dungeon.

All of the above are a sign the dungeon needs to be removed or retooled.

So Van, who are you to judge about opinions around here? If Niwashi says he wants to run Main Scenario Roulette for rewards, helping others, and/or having fun on his own accord on several occasions, you're gonna have to respect that. Niwashi expresses how I feel about Main Scenario Roulette better than I can to be honest.

Van, you still haven't answered my question on what kind of content you find engaging, especially with the content being spread out over patches and sporadic content droughts.

[Frizze]

...you have no taste and aren't really qualified to hold an opinion...

And someone who spends this much time arguing against a dungeon he only had to run once(per character) has no sense of proportionality. So does that invalidate your opinion too? A single player instance would have been the best solution, but at this point i dont want the devs spending another minute altering these dungeons(aside from maybe giving pre-formed parties the option to skip scenes which i still think is fair). I want them working on giving me more NEW content. Dont "fix" 5 year old content, give me an extra dungeon or side quest line in the next patch.

[van_arn]

So Van, who are you to judge about opinions around here? If Niwashi says he wants to run Main Scenario Roulette for rewards, helping others, and/or having fun on his own accord on several occasions, you're gonna have to respect that. Niwashi expresses how I feel about Main Scenario Roulette better than I can to be honest.

Van, you still haven't answered my question on what kind of content you find engaging, especially with the content being spread out over patches and sporadic content droughts.

Me? I play the game, often with sprouts, because they tend to make an entertaining mess of things. "Play" does not apply to Praetorium because watching Netflix while an hour of cutscenes fires does not qualify as "playing ffxiv."

An hour in Praetorium being engaging, when the fights themselves are weaker than dungeons both before and after, is not a tenable position. They are trash, and need to be removed as queued content if their only purpose is to act as cutscene corridors. In this situation, there is no justification for 7 other people to be brought in to watch cutscenes, let alone requiring a sprout to wait another hour for the queue to find 7 other people.

None whatsoever. And yes, an hour queue for this trash is not uncommon for sprouts queued as DPS.

Also, don't fool yourself into thinking you're helping anyone by running these. When I say trash, I meant it: they teach sprouts nothing about how to play their class better or how to contribute in a meaningful way. The only reason these dungeons need butts in the seat is because Square can't be assed to maintain them.

[RokkuEkkusu]

Also, don't fool yourself into thinking you're helping anyone by running these. When I say trash, I meant it: they teach sprouts nothing about how to play their class better or how to contribute in a meaningful way. The only reason these dungeons need butts in the seat is because Square can't be assed to maintain them.

I agree with you on the latter part, but what's done is done and people like me make the best of it.

At least the new people get to watch the cutscenes of Praetorium and enjoy the ending of ARR similar to how some us did it during the 2.0 time. At the end of the day, if people are satisfied with the gameplay, story, and/or the situations they're dealt, who are we to tell them what to do and how to do it?

As far as improving stuff goes, that is also on the player's initiative. If they want to improve their game, fine. If they don't, it's going to be a tough run. The game can't hold on to our hands forever like Final Fantasy XIII did. We got stuff like the Balance Discord, the FFXIV reddit, linkshells, and other things. Oh, and did I mention the "Balance Discord"?

Everyone mileage may vary in the end.