We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Bahati]

I mean, it made you feel better to generalize an entire subset of the community and make an outrageous claim about them killing the game?

Now you suddenly can't handle someone questioning your logic about it?

She didn't say you don't earn your rewards, she was just wondering how often raiders end up helping people who 'irrationally hate raiders' clear content by carrying. This doesn't necessarily include you, and she didn't single you out.

It is funny how people can blame subsets of the community for killing the game when we have no power over said game. Last time I checked regular players, raider or not, are not SE employees nor do they work at SE or have any control over what SE does with FFXIV.

But I guess people just need someone to blame for whatever doesn't go exactly their way, even if who they blame literally has no power to do the thing they are being accused of /shrug.

This whole "raiders stole my bike and kicked my dog" mentality is just getting sad. If you hate a painting in an art gallery then you can go and yell at the painter if you feel so inclined, not the random guy standing by said painting and just observing the finished product; after all he didn't create what you are so angry about.

Also it sounds like you aren't even playing FFXIV, because 95% of the content in this game is casual content.

I understand the bitterness towards raiders regarding their complaining about Diadem in 3.1 RNG drop gear being as good as their savage gear. Something was literally taken away from the entire community directly because of the complaining of the "raid community" so yes, raiders do have an impact on the community despite not being on SE's payroll.

[Dualgunner]

I understand the bitterness towards raiders regarding their complaining about Diadem in 3.1 RNG drop gear being as good as their savage gear. Something was literally taken away from the entire community directly because of the complaining of the "raid community" so yes, raiders do have an impact on the community despite not being on SE's payroll.

Okay, I'll bite. What was taken away, here? Diadem? We still have Eureka. Non-savage ways to reach i370? Tomes still exist, and Anemos gave i350 gear with five open materia slots which put them in the running easily for some non-savage BiS. I think the reason Pagos has no gear is just cuz devs don't want to design AF gear every other patch.

[Bahati]

Okay, I'll bite. What was taken away, here? Diadem? We still have Eureka. Non-savage ways to reach i370? Tomes still exist, and Anemos gave i350 gear with five open materia slots which put them in the running easily for some non-savage BiS. I think the reason Pagos has no gear is just cuz devs don't want to design AF gear every other patch.

In this instance the opportunity for casual players to have the same high ilvl as raiders simultaneously was taken away. This random pink gear dropped from this particular period of Diadem also had random stats that in some cases made them better than the current savage gear. The raiding community was quite vocal about their upset that casual, non-raiding members would have any chance (RNG or not) to have gear just as good as their savage clear gear. These items were removed entirely (unless you were lucky enough to get one before the patch out) to appease the raiding community.

I'm not arguing if this is right or wrong. I'm simply saying the raiding community has affected the state of the game and everyone's experience in this case.

[Edax]

Okay, I'll bite. What was taken away, here? Diadem? We still have Eureka. Non-savage ways to reach i370? Tomes still exist, and Anemos gave i350 gear with five open materia slots which put them in the running easily for some non-savage BiS. I think the reason Pagos has no gear is just cuz devs don't want to design AF gear every other patch.

They could have just stuck with the job gear and let the upgrades increase their gear rating further then Amenos did. It would be so simple.

[Mahrze]

They could have just stuck with the job gear and let the upgrades increase their gear rating further then Amenos did. It would be so simple.

But they do plan to do that in the next stage... so because armor is at 350/370 even though its safe penta... its bad?

[Edax]

But they do plan to do that in the next stage... so because armor is at 350/370 even though its safe penta... its bad?

In the state Pagos was released, it wasn't even worth doing it for many players, which would just make that next stage unattainable. Maybe with the train awkwardly reintroduced more players will get to see it, but I wonder how many just left Pagos for good after the first week.

[Mahrze]

In the state Pagos was released, it wasn't even worth doing it for many players, which would just make that next stage unattainable. Maybe with the train awkwardly reintroduced more players will get to see it, but I wonder how many just left Pagos for good after the first week.

So? it'll be nerfed to a degree by then and likely nerfed again just like they did with Anemos. They always do this.

[Miste]

I understand the bitterness towards raiders regarding their complaining about Diadem in 3.1 RNG drop gear being as good as their savage gear. Something was literally taken away from the entire community directly because of the complaining of the "raid community" so yes, raiders do have an impact on the community despite not being on SE's payroll.

I never claimed raiders have zero impact on the game, just to be clear. There is a difference between having a bit of influence on something and having full control.

The person I responded to said raiders are killing the game so I was disputing that. Only the creators can kill their MMO, only the creators choose who or what they listen to, only the creators make the final decisions on everything involved with their game.

Despite your reply being unrelated to what I said....sure I'll answer you.

Some raiders did complain about the diadem drops, but SE never removed the gear? Maybe they nerfed the drop rates of it? I can't find anything in the patch notes showing they removed the gear or nerfed the drop rates though. This kind of change would have been in the patch notes.

Looking at Patch 3.2 notes it added in the option to desynthesize i210 gear from The Diadem. i210 was the same item level as Gordias Savage raid gear so it seems it was not removed like you are claiming. If you check patch 3.1 it lists all the i210 gear from diadem that they added and it is never said after the fact that any of it was removed, or nerfed.

"[2.0] The following items can now be desynthesized:
Iron clapper / Item Level 210 gear obtained from the Diadem."

source: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...d0980ac2b5a39c

Also when they released the second iteration of diadem sometime after 3.4 they added in a weapon that was better than the raid weapon. If raiders had such an impact on SE's decisions then why did they do it AGAIN a second time after all the complaints the first time?

Is this really all you have to back up this idea that people should be bitter at raiders? It is an extremely weak argument full of holes.

If you are speaking of Diadem itself not coming back.....it didn't come back because I guess SE decided it was failed content. Barely anyone did it or was interested in it and every subset complained about it for different reasons. The only thing that was fine about it was the gathering aspect.

You cannot claim diadem didn't come back all because of raiders, since raiders were not the only community of players who complained about diadem. All types of players had criticism about diadem as a whole.

So unless you can prove diadem was taken away from us solely due to raiders complaining about the gear in it, with some kind of statement from SE to confirm it, then this is a weak argument to use to be "bitter" towards the raiders.

How about we get some facts to be bitter about and not just bias perceptions?