We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Edax]

I'd like to believe that somewhere along the lines they are still loyal towards their birth country and that will probably never change, they just don't agree with their actions at the current present.

One can still remain loyal towards their own country, yet still disagree and propose opposition against their ways simply because they feel it's doing more harm than good, which displays self pride and concern for their fellow countrymen even if they're supporting the people that their own country dislikes at the same time.

Basically, it's a "for the greater good" type scenario.

Well, at some point Cid actively worked against the Empire, such as when he helped the Scions break out the other Scions captured at the Garlean base. And if I remember correctly, Lucia gives you a mecha to help you mow down other Garlean soldiers by the bushel. Some might call that treason, not loyalty. But I'll agree it's "treason for the greater good".

[Edax]

You may want to read the history books... or simply look at the political situation in many countries right now.

This usually starts with the Government annexing a neighboring piece of land, then...

A) Government declares some minority group as being illegal and less-than human

B) Government makes policies specifically to dehumanize them, turns a blind eye to any genocide under their policies.

C) Government strips the minority group of their resources.

D) Everyone is surprisingly okay with this until the Government falls, and suddenly it's everyone for themselves. If you're rich, you're likely going to become a victim, and that's why rich people flee countries when they become unstable, taking most of the countries wealth with them.

This is everything the Garleans have done and we're now on the way to D with them.

A. When have the Garleans declared a minority as being less-than human? The Ala Mhigans weren't a minority in Ala Mhigo and they were mistreated. The Domans weren't a minority in Doma but they were mistreated. And the Garleans tried to purge Eorzea of all life with Project Meteor and the Eorzeans were not a minority in Eorzea.
B. No established minority discrimination by Garleans in the story as far as I can tell.
C. No established minority discrimination by Garleans in the story as far as I can tell.
D. I haven't seen this happen in FFXIV yet, even after the fall of the Doman and Ala Mhigan military dictatorships. The rich and poor seem to be getting along during the reconstruction. Lord Hien isn't on the run or a victim of his own people yet.

[Magic-Mal]

That's what I have to say about a slow XI & a slow 1.0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXWb5v-mZnY

P.S. No indicators on attacks from what i have read does not make it sound to me like 1.0 was slow,if anything computers requirements & players reactions probably was what made it feel that way. No indicators would make it feel to me that attacks are actually happening fast.

Oh come now you and I both know 100 Fists counts as a single attack and not many actual separate attacks like a rotation. That doesn't fool me. The game is slow.

[Ruf]

Oh come now you and I both know 100 Fists counts as a single attack and not many actual separate attacks like a rotation. That doesn't fool me. The game is slow.

Ok then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaQPtUUSH1Y warrior, its not about the hundred fist, its about kraken club being able to hit 8hits & also, nowaday most jobs with multiple different weapons can all solo skillchain constantly nowaday, minus samurai that can do like 10+ weaponskills in a row for a total of 5 light sc+ with the 1hour ability (yes 1hour not 2 like in the old days) most none native tp builder classes can now provide enough swings & trigger points in a 3seconds frame to skillchain by themselves. so no come on now, the game is not slow & imo its following true bases of an FF game.

[Magic-Mal]

Ok then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaQPtUUSH1Y warrior, its not about the hundred fist, its about kraken club being able to hit 8hits & also, nowaday most jobs with multiple different weapons can all solo skillchain constantly nowaday, minus samurai that can do like 10+ weaponskills in a row for a total of 5 light sc+ with the 1hour ability (yes 1hour not 2 like in the old days) most none native tp builder classes can now provide enough swings & trigger points in a 3seconds frame to skillchain by themselves. so no come on now, the game is not slow & imo its following true bases of an FF game.

So because of one weapon that can do more hits(automatically not manually) at a time the whole game is fast? Even when the people in the back are still attacking like, once every 4secs?

Not buying it still :p

[Ruf]

So because of one weapon that can do more hits(automatically not manually) at a time the whole game is fast? Even when the people in the back are still attacking like, once every 4secs?

Not buying it still :p

Not telling you to, it was a suggestion & a recommendation that I give from my own liking of the game.

If you have never tried it, I recommend & suggest trying it even tho it changed a lot and also I encourage return as it changed a lot for players that had a bad experience with it back in the days.

If you left the game quickly back then, then there is a lot of content that you have not seen now & the actual gameplay changed quite a bit although I still like the original aspects & the design of it that remains.

All im saying is that there is a lot of variables & that, no it is not just 1 weapon & no it is not just an ability, there is magical buffs & choices of gears + knowledge of battles as a general statement, no a lv.1 cannot do this, but a well knowledgable lv.99 player can with the worst 119 gears if they are used properly.

[Alleo]

Is that bad?

I don't know, I feel like the we have a reason to oppose Garleans at this point given what we've seen and with the power we have there is also a responsibility to make sure we're putting it to use. Hydalen didn't choose us for us to live a quaint life out in a cottage.

I know that in the end we would have to fight but imo it would feel better for me if we at least try to find out more about Ascians and the real important things instead of just finding some clues randomly along the way. Maybe they could have started SB with us refusing to join the rebels and going around to find a solution to a problem that was hinted by the WoD. Maybe even going out and trying to find the truth in all of this. While we do that the alliance suffers some losses and we see thanks to the echo what happens when Zenos comes in. Maybe along the way we find out that we need to stop this conflict because it could lead to bigger ones and thus calamities and then we take part in this. This way it feels a little less forced, at least for me.

[MoroMurasaki]

This way it feels a little less forced, at least for me.

I totally understand your direction there. I suppose it's a personal matter. Imagining myself in place of my character I would likely 'go with the flow' as she does because the idea of opposing all of the people directing us towards Ala Mhigo and Doma is intimidating.

Perhaps for a more assertive or solitary person your perspective might make more sense. I would certainly admire a WoL who made those sorts of choices - it's a sort if classical heroism... it just isn't how I would imagine Moro behaving.

I suppose they can't cater to all personality types and decision making styles.

[Alleo]

I totally understand your direction there. I suppose it's a personal matter. Imagining myself in place of my character I would likely 'go with the flow' as she does because the idea of opposing all of the people directing us towards Ala Mhigo and Doma is intimidating.

Perhaps for a more assertive or solitary person your perspective might make more sense. I would certainly admire a WoL who made those sorts of choices - it's a sort if classical heroism... it just isn't how I would imagine Moro behaving.

I suppose they can't cater to all personality types and decision making styles.

You are right with that and maybe I am just a bit annoyed by it because we just had ended a thousand years old war, had lost quite some friends (depending on your own view) and lets not forget all the pain that we suffered when we were betrayed at the end of 2.5. Maybe it would have been less like that if we had an expansion between it where we would just be adventurers, maybe even without certain NPCs to catch a bit of a breath and maybe with the intention of learning more about the world and its past. This way it just dont feel like war after war. I mean 5.0 seems to hint at Garlemald and that will probably end in another war.

[MoroMurasaki]

You are right with that and maybe I am just a bit annoyed by it because we just had ended a thousand years old war, had lost quite some friends (depending on your own view) and lets not forget all the pain that we suffered when we were betrayed at the end of 2.5. Maybe it would have been less like that if we had an expansion between it where we would just be adventurers, maybe even without certain NPCs to catch a bit of a breath and maybe with the intention of learning more about the world and its past. This way it just dont feel like war after war. I mean 5.0 seems to hint at Garlemald and that will probably end in another war.

This post has spoilers for current msq, don't read if you don't want them.

Well as I said earlier in another post I feel like as the WoL we are obligated to be using our power for something. An expansion where we just get to explore and learn about the world is also an expansion where things like the oppression by Garlemald and the scheming of the Ascians is left to fester.

I think at the start of 5.0 we are left with two primary directions - continue our assault on the Garleans or contend with the new Ascian plot. It's hard to tell at this point since we still have at least 4.4 and 4.5 msq additions coming but we are likely either pursuing 'the Elezen' or attempting to rescue Alphinaud.

I think we may see more of Zenos in SB and then head into The Burn come 5.0 if only because it seems incredibly unlikely they're adding a-new area outside of an expansion. If the pursuit of Alphie is delayed then Zenos is the obvious next step.

I will say this has been some of my favorite parts of the story since HW. It feels like we're growing up as a character and getting ready to face some of the true antagonists instead of getting bogged down in things like Ishgardian politics and Alliance drama.

Overall as much as it might be fun to have time to roam I don't think in our current situation it's the responsible thing for us to do, though I'll grant that perhaps I would feel differently if I wasn't constantly (in terms of the msq) thinking about all of these looming threats.