We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Sigma-Astra]

And when was the last time saw a loyal Garlean actually do any work besides killing somebody or standing around waiting to be killed?

Well, there's Lucia, Cid, and Nero for one.

[Edax]

Well, there's Lucia, Cid, and Nero for one.

They don't seem terribly loyal to Garlemald, but I suppose you could say they are loyal outside of Garemald.

[Sigma-Astra]

They don't seem terribly loyal to Garlemald, but I suppose you could say they are loyal outside of Garemald.

I'd like to believe that somewhere along the lines they are still loyal towards their birth country and that will probably never change, they just don't agree with their actions at the current present.

One can still remain loyal towards their own country, yet still disagree and propose opposition against their ways simply because they feel it's doing more harm than good, which displays self pride and concern for their fellow countrymen even if they're supporting the people that their own country dislikes at the same time.

Basically, it's a "for the greater good" type scenario.

[Edax]

I'd like to believe that somewhere along the lines they are still loyal towards their birth country and that will probably never change, they just don't agree with their actions at the current present.

One can still remain loyal towards their own country, yet still disagree and propose opposition against their ways simply because they feel it's doing more harm than good, which displays self pride and concern for their fellow countrymen even if they're supporting the people that their own country dislikes at the same time.

Basically, it's a "for the greater good" type scenario.

Well, at some point Cid actively worked against the Empire, such as when he helped the Scions break out the other Scions captured at the Garlean base. And if I remember correctly, Lucia gives you a mecha to help you mow down other Garlean soldiers by the bushel. Some might call that treason, not loyalty. But I'll agree it's "treason for the greater good".