White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Stormfur]

Expecting your feelings and memories to be privileged and regarded as sacrosanct by other players seems pretty conceited and unreasonable, but maybe that's just me.

It seems odd to me too. But I kind of see both sides...I mean, I get that the fight was hard and you want to have something like a souvenir to remember it by. And now they're taking that away which is kind of insinuating (to some people) that your prior experience and love of and devotion to the game doesn't matter. So I get why they're miffed about this. I don't know how much of a community there was during 1.0, but I'd wager that VERY few people stuck it out and not only got those earrings but also still play today. Perhaps, on this five year anniversary of the game, they're giving us all a glimpse of what you legacy players saw and went through -- like "look how far we've come", which is something that everyone can be proud of.

It oftentimes seems like many players want a thing just so they can hold it over others' heads and brag about their skill and/or suffering.

[Nixxe]

No see, I'm feeling the exact opposite way.
People fought hard for nothing but prestige. The fact they got anything at all to show their determination makes it more special.
It's like a war badge. People generally don't complete great military tasks for a ribbon or badge, but getting them doesn't make them any less special. Giving the same badges out to everyone would be a disgrace!

Newsflash: Nobody cares about your feelings.

It seems odd to me too. But I kind of see both sides...I mean, I get that the fight was hard and you want to have something like a souvenir to remember it by. And now they're taking that away which is kind of insinuating (to some people) that your prior experience and love of and devotion to the game doesn't matter. So I get why they're miffed about this. I don't know how much of a community there was during 1.0, but I'd wager that VERY few people stuck it out and not only got those earrings but also still play today. Perhaps, on this five year anniversary of the game, they're giving us all a glimpse of what you legacy players saw and went through -- like "look how far we've come", which is something that everyone can be proud of.

It oftentimes seems like many players want a thing just so they can hold it over others' heads and brag about their skill and/or suffering.

I get why they're miffed about it too. I used to be like that in WoW when Blizzard originally decided nothing would be truly exclusive back in Wrath, but I eventually realized how childish I was being and got over it. As it turns out, the world didn't end and things still felt special to me for precisely the same reason they had before. Others just go to enjoy the cosmetic rewards that I had the privilege of enjoying first and to create and assign their own memories and significance to those things. Their gain was not my loss as I had originally feared it would be.

[Magic-Mal]

If you've glamoured a replica White Raven, well... you don't get that respect. But hey you might look cool.

"Respect", Ha... You may not have seen my ninja edit for that post and that's okay. But let me ask, where is my respect for playing and supporting 2.0, then playing and supporting 3.0, then playing and supporting 4.0?

EDIT: I also understand that it was from a fight and not subbing. That doesn't change all of the other things the we are apparently not allowed to have.

[Stormfur]

Their gain was not my loss as I had originally feared it would be.

Precisely. Too many people somehow have tied "my worth as a human being" to "my value of items in a video game". I'm waiting for the legacy player who has "GOT THE WHITE RAVEN EARRINGS" as his real-life epitaph.

[Tsalmaveth]

I certainly don't check out a player's gear or glamour and respect them for any of it. XD Ever. I respect them only if they earn it when I interact with them as a person.

Period.

[Darrcyphfeid]

A) I cared about what other people are playing. Legacy or otherwise, what you do with your free time is your own business. If they like playing XI, that's what it's there for.

But clearly you do care, because you asked where the people that care went to? You can't have it both ways snookums.

B) All legacy players got for their patronage were the earrings, which is not the case.

This assumes they're also stopping at just the earrings, which will definitely not be the case.

C) Legacy players, which already have plenty of exclusives, weren't acting so entitled in the forums.

I'm not a Legacy player. I was acutely aware of XIV, its failings, its move to F2P and its Legacy initiative. I chose not to subscribe.

If you're going to complain about the Legacy people being "entitled" (that word seemingly does not mean what you think it means), I have no idea how you've remained sane on these boards knowing how the non-Legacy players get. About everything.


But hey, if y'all want to wear them to stick it to us here snowflakes? Good. You know what's worse than them taking this item and giving it away for free? Them taking and giving it away for free and then none of the whiny entitled non-Legacy people even using it.

[Emstidor]

But the only reason people can't attempt and finish the fight today is because it was implemented on an different game engine that SE obviously stopped supporting. That's the big technical reason behind the 1.0/2.0 split, no matter how cool the narrative window dressing ended up being.

Anyone is free today to go back and clear Coil, or Alexander, and reap the rewards, but 1.0 is completely off limits more for technical reasons than any other reason I can justify. Otherwise I'm sure Nael would fall somewhere in between the Savage fights in terms of actual difficulty (the tedium of having to have forbidden-melded gear in 1.0's horrid system or having to farm that consumable that protected you from some of his attacks aside.)

The only true in-game legacy-guaranteed item is the chocobo, which at least for me is already a cool enough thing to have that nobody else who is new will ever get. Everything else from 1.0 proper, including items, titles, the original goobbue mount, and the onion helmet/garlond goggles/asuran armguards/Hermes' shoes are all subject to being brought back at the developers' whim.

Back in 1.0 I was like you Canadane in that we were two of literally dozens(!) of people who leveled the near-useless Fisher class to a high enough level to get not only the cool 1.0-exclusive player titles, but if you did the whopping three job quests available you got the rare Star-Spangled Subligar. The same subligar that SE brought back literally years ago, to much acclaim by the playerbase. I think 1.0 players are too quick to claim an entire database's worth of items as off-limits just to maintain their sense of exclusivity, when in truth they'll always be unique enough just for literally having been there at a time when many others couldn't or wouldn't.

[Canadane]

C) Legacy players, which already have plenty of exclusives, weren't acting so entitled in the forums. How dare the devs give non-legacy players an item, any item, that we've had as an exclusive for five years.

It's not about legacy though.
Perhaps it's mostly legacy players complaining at the moment since they have this particular item (for the record, I do not own White Ravens ) but it's about the idea that earned trophy items are simply being given away now. Again, this was an item earned from an extremely difficult fight.

[Canadane]

"Respect", Ha... You may not have seen my ninja edit for that post and that's okay. But let me ask, where is my respect for playing and supporting 2.0, then playing and supporting 3.0, then playing and supporting 4.0?

EDIT: I also understand that it was from a fight and not subbing. That doesn't change all of the other things the we are apparently not allowed to have.

I would imagine it's in the form of all your veteran rewards, achievements, titles, etc.
Like you can't earn specific achievements in the game anymore. The titles associated with them are locked to the players who have done that event.

Sure you may not run around as the "Half-boiled Heroine" but you certainly can. You earned it! (I'm guessing you've done the old Easter seasonal quest here since you've been around so long).
Your accomplishments in 2.0 and beyond are no different than players who have been playing since 1.0, other than it being a mostly dead game at the time.

[Tint]

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I want your Garlond Goggles! Why can't we have them instead of some boring earrings? :O