Healer DPS - enjoyable or a chore?

[Lubu_Mykono]

It's pretty simple. If you heal but don't do DPS you are not doing the job correctly. The game is designed for it. It's like tanks not using cooldowns, or DPS not using OGCDs for extra damage. Go play something else if the "healing" aesthetic isn't right for you.

[MoroMurasaki]

Based on say 100 potency single target and aoe on a 10 mob pull for simple math. If healer doesnt do dmg but keeps the party alive they are doing 100% of their healing capability and 0% of their damage capability when averaged they are at 50%. If a DPS single targets instead of AoEs theyd be at 10% since they lack a compensating factor like another important task.

This is our fundamental misunderstanding. If we are equating a dps single targeting on a large pull with about 10% effort I would say a healer only healing is somewhere between 0-20% depending on the situation. In a dungeon like Swallow's Compass I can heal a pug tank doing full pulls with Regen and oGCD abilities; healing is significantly less than 10% of my casts. To say I would be doing 50% of my job with under 10% of my GCDs is just nonsense.

There are certainly times and places that every healer has found themselves spam-healing a paper tank. In that situation if you are using your whole kit to keep them alive I can't imagine anyone faulting you for not putting up big dps numbers. The poster I responded to originally wasn't talking about that though, they claimed to just enjoy running around when they didn't need to be healing. That is the behavior people deserve to be kicked for.

[Miesta]

This is our fundamental misunderstanding. If we are equating a dps single targeting on a large pull with about 10% effort I would say a healer only healing is somewhere between 0-20% depending on the situation. In a dungeon like Swallow's Compass I can heal a pug tank doing full pulls with Regen and oGCD abilities; healing is significantly less than 10% of my casts. To say I would be doing 50% of my job with under 10% of my GCDs is just nonsense.

There are certainly times and places that every healer has found themselves spam-healing a paper tank. In that situation if you are using your whole kit to keep them alive I can't imagine anyone faulting you for not putting up big dps numbers. The poster I responded to originally wasn't talking about that though, they claimed to just enjoy running around when they didn't need to be healing. That is the behavior people deserve to be kicked for.

so my husband actually knows your name and free company. he just saw your name and mentioned that you have let him die many times due to your dpsing. so again...id rather do my job than allow my tank/dps to die than worry about my dps numbers.

edit: he keeps a list of healers he will never party with again and by his count it was 6 times in one dungeon

[MoroMurasaki]

so my husband actually knows your name and free company. he just saw your name and mentioned that you have let him die many times due to your dpsing. so again...id rather do my job than allow my tank/dps to die than worry about my dps numbers.

edit: he keeps a list of healers he will never party with again and by his count it was 6 times in one dungeon

I can confidently say I have never had anyone die that much outside of Savage (like wiping multiple times, so definitely not 'the fault of my dpsing') or perhaps Rabanastre/Ridorana where many people die to their own incompetence. If he means an actual dungeon he's just outright lying... or you are.

Not only is this a weak argument with zero evidence but if your husband plays like you advocate for that's kinda great that he doesn't want to play with me because I don't want to play with him either.

Sorry my FC being competent offends you xD

Edit: Kookz says hi o/

[Bourne_Endeavor]

so my husband actually knows your name and free company. he just saw your name and mentioned that you have let him die many times due to your dpsing. so again...id rather do my job than allow my tank/dps to die than worry about my dps numbers.

edit: he keeps a list of healers he will never party with again and by his count it was 6 times in one dungeon

Funny, I've ran Savage content with Moro and not died—which is significantly harder than any dungeons. If your husband managed to die six times, mayhaps the problems aren't healing related. :v

Your job is to contribute, be through healing when necessary and DPSing otherwise. If you're standing or running around, then you're expecting the DPS and tanks to essentially carry you. I may not kick you outright, but I will pull massively, and do it in Deliverance. You're either going to heal like crazy or you're going to DPS because I don't appreciate you standing there going nothing while I do most of the work.

[Brightamethyst]

so my husband actually knows your name and free company. he just saw your name and mentioned that you have let him die many times due to your dpsing. so again...id rather do my job than allow my tank/dps to die than worry about my dps numbers.

edit: he keeps a list of healers he will never party with again and by his count it was 6 times in one dungeon

Every single thing about this post is so absurd that I cannot stop laughing at it.

[MoroMurasaki]

Every single thing about this post is so absurd that I cannot stop laughing at it.

I'm laughing more now. I also like the idea that I care about (or can even see) my numbers in a dungeon.

"Oh yeah bro, gotta get that sweet orange in Hell's Lid! Such prestige!"

So....

My heart <3

[Miste]

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So....

Adults are having a civil debate and this is what you choose to post to join in?

Protip: Argue the points and the ideas.

Don't argue the player and claim so and so made mistakes in-game and try to make it out like that even matters to the discussion.

Even if your blatant lie is somehow true (it's not)...we're all human and everyone makes mistakes sometimes, so what does this have to do with the factual idea that healer DPS is good, manageable, and helpful instead of the alternative of standing around doing nothing?

Even the best healers out there have accidentally had people die under their watch. I've seen zero DPS healers let players die under their watch.

I've been healing since 1.0 in this game and I've had tanks and players die that I could have saved. Mistakes happen to everyone because no one is perfect.

So really, get over yourself, no one cares if your husband won't play with certain healers and one of them is apparently a poster in this thread.

I don't know why you think that you or your husband are somehow significant that people would care or be upset to hear that you or him won't play with them. Plenty of players to play with hun, no one will miss him or you.

[Limonia]

so my husband actually knows your name and free company. he just saw your name and mentioned that you have let him die many times due to your dpsing. so again...id rather do my job than allow my tank/dps to die than worry about my dps numbers.

edit: he keeps a list of healers he will never party with again and by his count it was 6 times in one dungeon

I've had people complain to me and my co-healer too when they die like 10 times that we should have healed them. But what can I do as White Mage when I raise someone and they run into the same AoE 1 second later when I already used Benediction on them before? If someone dies so many times in a Alliance Raid or dungeon it's 99% their fault. Please just don't ignore EVERY mechanic. At least TRY to dodge, TRY to turn around when there is an eye marker, TRY to stack with a stack marker, TRY to attack adds. But even when everyone else is stacking somewhere together, those people still just stand somewhere alone and attack the boss, not noticing anything around them. Yes, some people aren't very good at this game, and it's fine. But there are those that aren't trying at all. And those are the exact same people that think I could save them from dieing over and over again which is just not true at all. Healers don't make mechanics non-existant for other players. I'll heal them over and over again but fuller HP bars don't make them magically be immune against mechanics or one-shots.

Another case where those people complain: They are dead on the floor and I'm not raising them immediately. No one else need healing, so I dps - because Swiftcast will be up in less than 10 seconds and I can't hard-cast it because I know I'd have to move during it. They think I ignore them because I wait to raise them at the best time. Because they don't know anything about healing.

id rather do my job than allow my tank/dps to die than worry about my dps numbers

Or I do both by healing efficiently and not being unhelpful, disrespectful and idle when healing is not necessary.

[Brightamethyst]

Another case where those people complain: They are dead on the floor and I'm not raising them immediately. No one else need healing, so I dps - because Swiftcast will be up in less than 10 seconds and I can't hard-cast it because I know I'd have to move during it. They think I ignore them because I wait to raise them at the best time. Because they don't know anything about healing.

Oh god. I hate that so much.

"Raise me!"
Dude, chill. That's the second time you've died in the past 30 seconds and Swiftcast is still on CD.