Pagos - It's possibly worse than we thought

[Rhus]

They really did go out their way to prevent any aspect of Anemos and the train from happening. I'm surprised they haven't done away with shout and put some sort of block on goups in any area larger than 10-20 people just to be doubly sure. 20people at point XY? right invisible walls form and prevent any more for entering that area. No congregations in this instance please and thank you. Enjoy your stay at Eureka Pagos!

[KageTokage]

If they just made normal enemies drop crystals, I wouldn't lament the low spawn rate on NMs.

You can get 60K+ EXP from ending a 30 chain on a mutated monsters at higher levels, so it's scarcely even worth trying to get NMs to spawn strictly for EXP as the vast majority of them have spawn triggers that never adapt/mutate.

[Lubu_Mykono]

Won't Pagos be nerfed to hell by the time the next patch comes around? I mean the whole point is to keep people doing it and getting not that much so they keep at it long term to get the weapons, not get them all in like a week or two that some people did in Anemos?

[Tigerlilley]

Won't Pagos be nerfed to hell by the time the next patch comes around? I mean the whole point is to keep people doing it and getting not that much so they keep at it long term to get the weapons, not get them all in like a week or two that some people did in Anemos?

Whats the point in getting a weapon that you'll never use since next patch will out ilvl it?

I mean, ok, for raiders this relic step is usually pointless until the verrrry last tier before an expansion but content is content and if it's fun, or rewarding, then hey, I'll give it a go.

I think what also gave Anemos a little bit of longevity is dyable AF gear. Don't ever underestimate what the average player will do in the name of glamour.

[WizzNL]

Won't Pagos be nerfed to hell by the time the next patch comes around? I mean the whole point is to keep people doing it and getting not that much so they keep at it long term to get the weapons, not get them all in like a week or two that some people did in Anemos?

If it takes a few weeks to get your ilv370 relic, then you ll have 2-3 weeks tops to enjoy it before 4.4 drops and it becomes outdated. Of course there will be the next step, but what if they repeat the spread out content and release the next Eureka/relic step a couple weeks before 4.5 drops? It will be outdated on release again, thats not worth the hours you ll have to invest at all. I always loved doing the relic but im not even gonna bother this time. Theres a difference in putting in work for something or getting a reward thats useless.

[drgnmstr44]

I think this is the most grown up conversation about Pagos we've had. the real question I have is are the devs paying attention. I may not have spent as much time as everyone else in the place yet but after seeing how Anemos turned out most of my company was excited to go there and got immediately discouraged on the first attempt there. I've gone back a couple lockouts and figured out how to get levels but this is really feeling unfriendly to people that can't spend 2 lockouts a day grinding. I did find info on the weapon work needed and that looks like I'd expect for a weapon work.

If what Tigerlilley is saying is true, then how are players supposed to get their weapons to the third stage from Pagos when they can't even spawn the last NM for the items? I get that the developers wanted to discourage the train happening again but I don't think they considered the expectation that players got from Anemos. I can understand them wanting to combat the afk players and the train but this to me feels like a complete 180 swing in the other direction, not a happy medium.

[NessaWyvern]

I had 3 NMs pop within 15 minutes.... At the end of the instance when almost everyone had already left.
My advice, stay the full time if you want to see NMs, as tedious as that is.

[Tigerlilley]

If what Tigerlilley is saying is true, then how are players supposed to get their weapons to the third stage from Pagos when they can't even spawn the last NM for the items?

Hi there. If it makes you feel better, I got my weapon. The first time we popped Louhi we thought wow! That was easy. Just a few chains and he popped. The second time we did corpses until the end of a lock out and got nothing. Louhi popped in the instance after ours and we had split the party then spam the duty finder trying to get back in. It took like, half a day real time. The 3rd time was similar to the second, it took us about a day of trying.

I didn't sleep a lot. It's unreasonable, but it's not impossible. It's certainly not as "expected on cue" like Pazuzu was.

However, you're correct. It's very unfriendly to players who can't spend more than 2 lockouts a day grinding.

[MsKirsten]

NM farming isn’t ideal in Pagos as was shown in the initial launch that the creators intended for people to do leveling via chains just like FF11. Thus the experience gained in NM was very low initially. Due to the many complaints and the “unexpected” longer than usual for people to level up, SE took the easy way by simply adjusting the experience gained in NM and had reduced the # of mobs to spawn them. These indirectly causes more and more people to level up quickly and now the issues is light farming limitations and constraints inside a 144 people instance whereby there are only one or two options to do the light farming. Good luck trying to fight that out with the rest of the 144 people!

Truth be told, Pagos is intended to have a feel of the FF11 eras and it clearly shows. This is nothing compared to the numerous wasted time people tried farming VE etc. Aahhhh those times of setting alarm clocks in the wee morning hours only to have the window open for HNM.......

[Johaandr]

I don’t know if it’s old news but i noticed if Void dragons uses adaption they would give some decent lights and sometimes its RNG and there is also Rng to get that light aswell.(it tells u everytime u get light feeble suff or something on chat box). Which kinda annoyed me to the part where IF void dragons or other mutation/adaption mobs does give chunks og light/crystal guage and locked behind the rng of getting the liight gauge to fill and also the «only sustainable» for this «lightfarming».
(Its like dragon without adaption gives robust but adaption gives sturdy but again there is low chance on getting either of robust or sturdy).

I hope u guys understand what i mean for those who lightfarm. Cuse the light feeble on ur gauge isnt always guranteed but NM are. Even tho mob-light-farming-chaining is more efficient than waiting for NM to spawn.

It also questions me whenevrr this is «the» only way? So far the adaption/mutated mobs seems to more efficient atm.
Cuse we cannot depend on NM spawn thru out our time instance either since the NM spawn r sometimes on «cd».