Pagos - It's possibly worse than we thought

[Tigerlilley]

But you can know how is the max time you can keep killing the same mob for NM to spawn. I think the soft cap is 120m.
He can always see if there's a tracker or not. I would re-enter some times until I get a tracker, so that is more garanteed to be worth the grind.

Do you have a source for this info?

And no, you are missing the idea here. Please read my post

- It's possible your "fresh" instance is not fresh at all and you are completely at the mercy of the groups before you before the instance reset. Tracking NMs is therefore pointless because you do not have the data from the previous group if it's a "fresh" recycle. The only thing you can know is what is down from your own time in there, not what is up.

Let me rephrase.

Say you get into an instance, your party and one other. Every single person has 180 on their timer as the instance starts to fill up. It looks brand new.

What I'm saying is, there's a possibility it's been recycled. It's been locked off and respawned with the same things on CD. Despite it looking new, it isn't.

[HyoMinPark]

But you can know how is the max time you can keep killing the same mob for NM to spawn. I think the soft cap is 120m.
He can always see if there's a tracker or not. I would re-enter some times until I get a tracker, so that is more garanteed to be worth the grind.

And if the instance is reused with only these newer players in it, as described in the OP? Who are they supposed to get the tracker from? Assuming one was even being done in the first place?

It seems that instances are "recycled" a few times. This means, if you arrive in a "fresh" instance as the first group with no one else in there - there's a possibility that instance is not fresh at all. This means, any work done by the previous players in this instance before, carries over to the "new" recycled instance.

[LeoLupinos]

I don't think is there a "recycing". It's more likely it's random at start.
Maybe the 120m cooldown from Anemos is not the same for Pagos too.
Who knows, maybe it's the random cooldown and random mobs requeriment to spawn NM.
I was basing myself with the tracker, but it seems it's not based into data mining.

[Yhual]

I don't think is there a "recycing". It's more likely it's random at start.
Maybe the 120m cooldown from Anemos is not the same for Pagos too.
Who knows, maybe it's the random cooldown and random mobs requeriment to spawn NM.
I was basing myself with the tracker, but it seems it's not based into data mining.

The tracker is only as good as the person filling it in, and if that person has absolutely ZERO clue if they're in a new or recycled instance, this means the tracker will not be able to tell you. Basically Anemos stopped letting ppl into and instance and let it die off after 4 hours but now OP is saying Pagos is different in that the instance can carry over for the next set of people, messing trackers up with no real way to find out.

[Tigerlilley]

The trackers are a small problem.

My biggest gripe is that the spawn conditions for some of the higher level NM spawns seem to require you to be in the same instance for more than one lock out.

[HyoMinPark]

I don't think is there a "recycing". It's more likely it's random at start.

Fairly certain this was a thing with Anemos as well. I was once in an instance that was deemed “dead” after 30 minutes (came in with 100 people, and it soon dropped to sub-50), and within an hour, it had started to refill again (made it all the way to 144). So I do think this is something that can occur.

[Millen1]

@TigerLilley. While there are issues that will hopefully be fixed tomorrow such as the chain clock not resetting and others. I think when it came to Pagos, Yoshi and the devs sat down one last time and decided how to get rid of as much afking as possible. The result worked, we are spread everywhere and getting anywhere is a pain for NMs. You can't bunch up with other groups as the group that tags it gets 100% xp and the other group gets 20% xp. So they took care of their and are saltiness out on afkers but the down sides of the fix are horrid. hoping for a rez. good luck if you died outside a normal path players often take.

Needless to say the point you bought up on recycled instances makes sense. I have gone almost 3 hours without a single NM. other times I zone in and it is 2 to 4 NMs back to back for no reason. Players are not even in the area.

Hopefully they have some fixes for this tomorrow night as this is really the worst relic step ever and that includes the 11% drop rate in ARR relic line.

Last as always a good check, what do the JP forums say about this? Those are far easier for SE to read and I really doubt they care what is said here by NA/EU players.

[Tigerlilley]

Last as always a good check, what do the JP forums say about this? Those are far easier for SE to read and I really doubt they care what is said here by NA/EU players.

According to reddit they're not too happy with the content either. I do wish we could have grown up conversations on this forum without deviating into PARSERS. EVERYTHING IS TOOO HARD. PARSERS. BOTS. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I watched a bunch of raiders come in to voice about no more Ultimate when that thread happened and the community here turned around and said, yeah good, ultimate sucks, more content for me only please. Amazing. No wonder we are largely ignored in terms of feedback.

Until then I guess we just hope the JP community comes through with some good suggestions to improve the current format. I believe there are some quick translations but I haven't looked through myself.

I do have low hopes that they are going to fix the NM spawn conditions on the basis that this is how Diadem2 worked and they REALLY wanted to kill the NM train. And any left over fun.

In the meantime I suggest going in there with the knowledge that you will largely be only to grind out experience by hitting mobs for hours on end. Unfortunately, that's all there is :/

[SaitoHikari]

Something is definitely wonky with the spawn timers at the very least. I've seen some weather/time of day NMs pop like 10-20 minutes after the mobs required to spawn it disappear. Hell, one time an entire party that was farming the golems past the ice dragons to spawn King Igloo left to fight Hakutaku, and my party followed them back up to chain grind/assist them afterwards (since most of us had leveled from Hakutaku and were ready to move on).

We barely made it up there when the FATE suddenly spawned out of nowhere while we were about to sort out each party's positioning/how to split the mobs so we didn't interfere with each other's chains. Like, we didn't even have enough time to kill one.

[HyoMinPark]

Last as always a good check, what do the JP forums say about this? Those are far easier for SE to read and I really doubt they care what is said here by NA/EU players.

Read some translations and briefly translated a few things myself: last I read, JP was mostly of the mind that:
—The Bunny FATE seemed pointless/not worth it
—They didn’t like that there was no mount
—The progression felt tedious