Why do you want an Auction House? (discussion)[dev1019]

[Taru_TwoPointO]

Right.... a few extra steps are gonna stop a bot, when they have bots advanced enough to go level for you...Leveling doesn't require walking? wut?

I sugget thinking before you talk.

Enemies can be targeted and its a single number button to attack. Thats how easy it is to create a bot to level up.

1: There is no way a bot can shop with the market wards. It cannot read the screen explaining which ward the item is in.
2: You need visual identification to determine which retainer has the star on its head to go to it.
3: You need to be able to read the bazaar and choose the correct item in the listing to purchase said item.
I do believe there is no way to choose any of this in the computer memory with ffxiv due to it being server side.

Auction houses usually have static listings which can be macro'd via a bot of just a damn long macro editor.

As I said, please dont try to outwit someone if you don't have all the information.

[Epo]

I sugget thinking before you talk.

Enemies can be targeted and its a single number button to attack. Thats how easy it is to create a bot to level up.

1: There is no way a bot can shop with the market wards. It cannot read the screen explaining which ward the item is in.
2: You need visual identification to determine which retainer has the star on its head to go to it.
3: You need to be able to read the bazaar and choose the correct item in the listing to purchase said item.
I do believe there is no way to choose any of this in the computer memory with ffxiv due to it being server side.

Auction houses usually have static listings which can be macro'd via a bot of just a damn long macro editor.

As I said, please dont try to outwit someone if you don't have all the information.

You just said yourself you need visual identification to determine, and you need to be able to read the bazaar. Did you know... in FFXI, you need to read the prices of items? Did you know, that requires visual confirmation? Did you knows bots CAN do visual confirmation?! NOWAI.

And before you say that the bots just raised the amount of what they were trying to buy by xxx amount of Gil with the FFXI AH, no one said they had to use that out-dated AH either.

If you play just about any MMO, there AH is much more optimized than FFXI's, and such a bot would not work for that.

Did you also know that the majority of RMT-ers don't BOT around ? They hack into other people's accounts, and take their gil, or bot for farming, aka grinding the items they want then sell. RMT-ers very rarely buy then resell, as they're usually the ones selling at the lowest price.
How about you get your facts straight, buddeh? x)

[Taru_TwoPointO]

You just said yourself you need visual identification to determine, and you need to be able to read the bazaar. Did you know... in FFXI, you need to read the prices of items? Did you know, that requires visual confirmation? Did you knows bots CAN do visual confirmation?! NOWAI.

And before you say that the bots just raised the amount of what they were trying to buy by xxx amount of Gil with the FFXI AH, no one said they had to use that out-dated AH either.

If you play just about any MMO, there AH is much more optimized than FFXI's, and such a bot would not work for that.

Did you also know that the majority of RMT-ers don't BOT around ? They hack into other people's accounts, and take their gil, or bot for farming, aka grinding the items they want then sell. RMT-ers very rarely buy then resell, as they're usually the ones selling at the lowest price.
How about you get your facts straight, buddeh? x)

You are incorrect in so many ways. I'm not responding anymore after this response. You get to reply next with another witty retort and pat your e-back.

[Chory]

You are incorrect in so many ways.

Honestly dude. I've never heard bout AH bots. IF RMTs speculate they do it on rare, very expensive items - dont really need bots for that. When it comes to more common items (but still quite expensive) they rather farm a lot and sell stuff for lower price cuz of competition (many suppliers) and that usually results in huge deflation.

[Cairdeas]

Honestly dude. I've never heard bout AH bots. IF RMTs speculate they do it on rare, very expensive items - dont really need bots for that. When it comes to more common items (but still quite expensive) they rather farm a lot and sell stuff for lower price cuz of competition (many suppliers) and that usually results in huge deflation.

You didn't play FFXI much then. They tended to stand in Lower Jeuno right next to where they could easily target the far right AH node and the Delivery NPC at the same time. IF you did a search for their names on FFXIAH.com you'd see tons of buys from them for items like Leaping Boots and Utsusemi as low as they could then a month down the line selling them for 10-50x more then they bought them, trying to wipe the buy history out in game by flooding it with sells to themselves.

[Epo]

You didn't play FFXI much then. They tended to stand in Lower Jeuno right next to where they could easily target the far right AH node and the Delivery NPC at the same time. IF you did a search for their names on FFXIAH.com you'd see tons of buys from them for items like Leaping Boots and Utsusemi as low as they could then a month down the line selling them for 10-50x more then they bought them, trying to wipe the buy history out in game by flooding it with sells to themselves.

If that's the case, it's simply a flaw of FFXI's AH. Look at any other game's AH, which is what FFXIV would be expected to have as FFXI is much out-dated, and as much I love that over market-wards, it is still by far the worst AH I've seen in a game to date.

[Chory]

You didn't play FFXI much then. They tended to stand in Lower Jeuno right next to where they could easily target the far right AH node and the Delivery NPC at the same time.

Ive played FFXI for 5 years and I didnt notice anything you described. Guess it was server specific activity.
BTW: if utsusemi prices go 10 times up, it kinda sucks for buyers, but on the other hand - it is crafters paradise. If Id notice Chinese fellows bots buying any quantity of utsusemi, I wouldnt stop crafting it. Guess your server was lacking crafters.

If that's the case, it's simply a flaw of FFXI's AH. Look at any other game's AH, which is what FFXIV would be expected to have as FFXI is much out-dated, and as much I love that over market-wards, it is still by far the worst AH I've seen in a game to date.

And still it is way better than Market Wards in FFXIV. Thats how terrible MW is.