A consumable snowcone costs 5$

[kikix12]

While I've defended CD project red in this specific frangent, I will say that those reasonable prices have some doubts in working condition, which ofc I cannot prove, but they've been a bit evasive on the answers enough to warrant suspicions, nevertheless I say that perhaps it's the price to pay to get good products

Working conditions (which I assume are not worse than the average in Poland, which I know of by practice, with those at CD Projekt Red most likely being better) are not a "business to consumer" relations though. As much as it is not a good thing to do to abuse ones workers in any way, shape or form...consumers are consumers while workers are workers. Those are two entirely different "worlds" and when fighting for the rights of one side, the rights of the other are pretty much unaffected. They are not even contained within the same codex, in Poland at least.

[Remedi]

I disagree, buyng something that is obtained by someone beign exploited is not really a great thing, also consumers and workers might have different rights but they are both humans and should receive fair treatments both.

That said I debated the validity of the claims against CD project red at the time, especially since some were taken out of context in my opinion, my point was that they are not saints either, they are a business and should be treated as such, they have so far good pro consumer polocies, but that's about it

[CainCrimson]

While I've defended CD project red in this specific frangent, I will say that those reasonable prices have some doubts in working condition, which ofc I cannot prove, but they've been a bit evasive on the answers enough to warrant suspicions, nevertheless I say that perhaps it's the price to pay to get good products

CD Projeckt Red purchased shares in a large number of literature/comic companies in the past when still inexpensive. Their income is not solely dependent on the gaming portion of their business, but it is a large portion of it.

[Lord_Umbra]

CD Projekt springs to mind as well as various small businesses that sell high quality produce for a reasonable price. The idea that every business resorts to dubious practices is silly - many establish specific ethics and operate in a manner that is very consumer friendly whilst still making a profit.

Fairly easy do when own bosses & own a decently used store front GOG, CD rake in a lot of cash & can afford to act generous but trust that if tight for money or weren't own bosses they'd be just as scummy as rest of industry.

[kikix12]

Fairly easy do when own bosses & own a decently used store front GOG, CD rake in a lot of cash & can afford to act generous but trust that if tight for money or weren't own bosses they'd be just as scummy as rest of industry.

Eh...No one stops other companies from being their own bosses?! And the scummiest companies like EA are actually the biggest ones, with the least amount of worry for money. The smallest companies with tightest budgets are actually the most fair in general.

You see, people nowadays want instant gratification. That's why all those gaming (and not only) companies get their initial success, then enter the shares market then sell their shares for ton of money. They want to earn several million without extra work all at once, instead of putting in ten years worth of some effort (as their own bosses, they choose how much technically) to get twice or even thrice that, with even more money waiting further down the line. That's why all those studios end up under scummy companies like EA. Because their owners want money NOW, not over time, so they beg to become underlings.

[Beckett]

I'm glad I farmed tons of them the last year (>_<) (why would you consume it, though?)

If you have an FC house and a decent amount of members, any food you put down will eventually get eaten, now matter how much you try to tell people not to. Which means you either have less decorating options for your house, or you have to be willing to suck up a $5 loss.

SE did eventually fix it so that the insanely expensive fixtures you can buy on the mog station don't get destroyed. Maybe if we complain loudly enough they'll do the same thing for food.

[Remedi]

CD Projeckt Red purchased shares in a large number of literature/comic companies in the past when still inexpensive. Their income is not solely dependent on the gaming portion of their business, but it is a large portion of it.

I remember some ppl trying to make a scene about them not paying royalties to the author of the witcher series, by hiding the fact that he pretty much made a stupid decision by outright refusing them because he thought the game won't sell, which was not a smart move on his part

Eh...No one stops other companies from being their own bosses?! And the scummiest companies like EA are actually the biggest ones, with the least amount of worry for money. The smallest companies with tightest budgets are actually the most fair in general.

It's not that easy, beign your own publisher is not an easy feat and it's also quite expensive since publicity is nowadays expensive, as such publishers tend to have a solid grip on games, it's why Ninja project got fed up and published Senua's sacrifice by themselves. However as of the last E3 that didn't last long since now they are owned by microsoft.

You have also to consider that if your society has shareholding, the ppl holding the shares are essentially your boss and they will wnat their money be worth, problem is most of the time they don't even know what you are doing the only want ALL the money.

[kikix12]

You have also to consider that if your society has shareholding, the ppl holding the shares are essentially your boss and they will wnat their money be worth, problem is most of the time they don't even know what you are doing the only want ALL the money.

This is what I'm talking about. Shareholding IS BY CHOICE. No company needs to enter the shares market. They do that for money. They SELL themselves. It's by choice.

And you're talking about publishers. You've got it wrong. Those studios you are talking about go to publishers and ask for them to fund their games. I'm talking about those studios that make their own games then look for publishers to publish them. Both exist. In the first case, yes, the publishers become "bosses" effectively. That's because it's effectively a work contract. In the latter the studio is their own boss. Sure, if the game flops then they will be the ones hurt/indebted etc. But if they succeed, then THEY will rake in the real money, because the risk and financial involvement of the publisher will be much smaller.

And in the age of GOG, Steam and digital sales, cutting publishing costs and reaching out to large amount of people anyway is easier than ever. But yes, it does need a lot of initial funds or special circumstances, like the group working on the game as friends on the side while having a different job for living expenses.


But I was talking about the already established companies that HAVE the initial funds from whatever other projects they had before.

[Remedi]

I don't deny the existance of game companies beign their own publishers since SE is one.
I disagree that it's simply a choice, market honestly is a very rigged game.

Frankly I will say that steam isn't really a good place for new game devs anymore, which is what ppl are criticising steam in the recent years, GOG is fine, even though I'm not really that informed on them atm.

However be wary about the future of CD project red because sadly many outside force have tried to acquire them. Which essentially forced them to rebuy most of their shares, to avoid beign forced to be bought by someone

Anyway this is beside the point of contention of the topic so let's end it here

[LastFireAce]

And apparently you will find any reason to attack me. I was in bed browsing at the time, before sleep.

You really have an obsession with me.

Also, I think the pricing is stupid and wouldn't buy them. Get over yourself.

Maybe the obsession is true love?
XD