How much tenacity should have a tank for savage?

[Megguido]

Just wanna add a quick note/ If you can't afford Crit / DHit / Det materias, melding Tenacity is better than nothing.

And a full set melded with Crit is like 100 DPS max above a full Ten-melded set. So Ten not as good as the other substats, but it's not useless either.

[Capn_Goggles]

Just wanna add a quick note/ If you can't afford Crit / DHit / Det materias, melding Tenacity is better than nothing.

And a full set melded with Crit is like 100 DPS max above a full Ten-melded set. So Ten not as good as the other substats, but it's not useless either.

I will agree with this. The defense provided by tenacity is a non-factor, but it's not half-bad as a poverty/interim meld due to how cheap it is.

[AppleJinx]

You want to keep that as low as possible without sacrificing ilvl

[Thela]

Now if only they would increase its scaling slightly so it would be better or on par with DH we would actually have a desired tank stat as desired when it was implemented. How they have not increased its scaling by this point to negate tank use of DH is beyond me.

[Sawamura]

Well I´m not really good with talk stats. But my point of veiw tenacity will never be as useful as crit,dh, det and ss. Reason is tenacity same as vit and def. If game system set up like you need X tenacity+ X VIT+ X DEF+ Mitigation CD for survive tankbuster then those stats will be very useful. However we all know game so well so long we use Mitigation CD we will survive it with minium requirement ilvl.

If SE want people to use tenacity more
1. Buff it as good as crit,dh,det and ss. (did SE said remove DH from tank before)?
2. Remove crit,dh,det or ss from tank
3. Make it to requirement for survive tankbuster.
4. Just remove it from meld.

[Azerhan]

[QUOTE=Nezerius;4736591]You realise that Tenacity replaced Parry, right? The fact that Tenacity increases dps already makes it better than Parry.


By that I mean Parry was known to be bad, and anybody noticed it out after some time playing tank. With Ten, you've a lot of user, as the OP, think that it's good.
But it's not, at least for "normal" player. And even for the bests players, it's not really interresting after a month.

[Derio]

The base tenacity the gear provides is more than enough. You shouldnt have to meld tenacity for any content in the game.

[ArianeEwah]

By that I mean Parry was known to be bad, and anybody noticed it out after some time playing tank. With Ten, you've a lot of user, as the OP, think that it's good.
But it's not, at least for "normal" player. And even for the bests players, it's not really interresting after a month.

I think misunderstood something. Tenacity is not worse than parry in general, but worse in physical defense.

I don't remember the exact numbers, so here an example:
If you've got x Tenacity, you get 5% mitigation.
If you've got x Parry, you get +50% parry rate - roughly about 10% physical mitigation.

BUT, if we take into account that DRK lost its parry procs, Tenacity mitigates every kind of damage, increases your own healing on yourself (I still don't know whether this is intentional or not) and on top of that, it increases your damage-output by roughly 3/4 of Determination's value - Tenacity becomes a way better stat than Parry.

(+1% damage for +217 Tenacity points or +167 Determination points. See this list for reference!)

Tenacity is not bad by any means. It's just that DPS is meta, and you build your mitigation/heals around your maximised DPS, not vice versa.

[Kabooa]

I think misunderstood something. Tenacity is not worse than parry in general, but worse in physical defense.

I don't remember the exact numbers, so here an example:
If you've got x Tenacity, you get 5% mitigation.
If you've got x Parry, you get +50% parry rate - roughly about 10% physical mitigation.

BUT, if we take into account that DRK lost its parry procs, Tenacity mitigates every kind of damage, increases your own healing on yourself (I still don't know whether this is intentional or not) and on top of that, it increases your damage-output by roughly 3/4 of Determination's value - Tenacity becomes a way better stat than Parry.

(+1% damage for +217 Tenacity points or +167 Determination points. See this list for reference!)

Tenacity is not bad by any means. It's just that DPS is meta, and you build your mitigation/heals around your maximised DPS, not vice versa.

If you had 50% parry rate from Parry, you'd probably have close to 10-15% damage reduction from Tenacity.

At current rates, you get around 5% damage reduction from tenacity at what, +1100? No way that's worth +30% Parry.

[ArianeEwah]

If you had 50% parry rate from Parry, you'd probably have close to 10-15% damage reduction from Tenacity.

At current rates, you get around 5% damage reduction from tenacity at what, +1100? No way that's worth +30% Parry.

If you'd get 10-15% mitigation from Tenacity and just 50% parry rate from the same amount of Parry, then Tenacity would have been overall better.

When SB started, there was a post claiming that Tenacity is worse than Parry for defense/mitigation - a "tank" stat. And I just said in my last post, I don't remember the numbers.

Keep in mind that a parry works on non-crit physical attacks only, and a parry reduces the damage by 20% - always!
So, +30% parry rate are roughly about 6% mitigation on physical attacks, and if it's true that parry did mitigate more damage, then yes, Tenacity could be around 5% then.