Is Byakko a Primal?

[Cilia]

The implication behind Susano'o is that he was, more or less, "naturally" summoned - Kojin faith in him and the aether-dense relics being united coincidentally set up the perfect conditions sans conscious intent and/or Ascian involvement. That's why he doesn't display any of the behaviors associated with primals (desire to temper and contempt for non-enthralled mortals) - Susano'o is a pure manifestation of what the Kojin believe him to be, untained by the Ascians' ritual.

[LineageRazor]

The implication behind Susano'o is that he was, more or less, "naturally" summoned - Kojin faith in him and the aether-dense relics being united coincidentally set up the perfect conditions sans conscious intent and/or Ascian involvement. That's why he doesn't display any of the behaviors associated with primals (desire to temper and contempt for non-enthralled mortals) - Susano'o is a pure manifestation of what the Kojin believe him to be, untained by the Ascians' ritual.

The fact that he's a "pure" summon is what has me curious! As you stated, he was missing a lot of the attributes associated with Ascian involvement (hostility, tempering, and so on). What I"m wondering is about another trait common to Primals: the tendency to guzzle Aether just by existing. I've long, LONG had the theory that Aether-guzzling was something Ascians added into the mix when they taught summoning techniques, with the explicit purpose of harming Hyaedalyn. By the same theory, I theorized there might be a proper way (a pure way) to summon that would produce a deity that is not by nature harmful to Hyaedalyn.

Susano could have been such a being. It's a shame we never got the chance to find out!

[Remedi]

afaik, our dear unukalhai told us that ascians weren't behind the resummoning of bismarck and ravana either

[Cilia]

While a summon that doesn't guzzle aether (or: that's a trait inherent to the summoning technique taught by Ascians) is plausible, the fact that Louisoix (Phoenix) doesn't want people summoning him for fear of consuming too much aether makes that very contentious.

While the Ascians might not be behind the resummoning of Bismarck and Ravana, they were summoned by tempered followers, who were more likely than not taught the ritual by the Ascians in the first place. Ergo...

[Remedi]

Yes but I think the lore book states that way to summon a primal isn't really that much different than using magicks and unukalhai sayd that the tecnicque used in the creation of bismarck and ravana as in the way of using 2 tyeps of aether doesn't seems to be something of ascians involvement

[LineageRazor]

While a summon that doesn't guzzle aether (or: that's a trait inherent to the summoning technique taught by Ascians) is plausible, the fact that Louisoix (Phoenix) doesn't want people summoning him for fear of consuming too much aether makes that very contentious.

While the Ascians might not be behind the resummoning of Bismarck and Ravana, they were summoned by tempered followers, who were more likely than not taught the ritual by the Ascians in the first place. Ergo...

I had put thought into the Louisoix case, truthfully, and the rationalization I came up with was basically that Louisoix was the key summoner in the process and the only method of summoning he was aware of was the Ascian method. I mean, he was pretty much the world's most accomplished scholar, and the Ascians aren't exactly reluctant to spread their summoning techniques around. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that he knew the Ascian method. Pure Summoning may not even HAVE a prescribed ritual, and if it does, the techniques have been lost possibly since before the First Umbral Calamity.

Given the desperate circumstances, even if he imagined such a thing as a Pure Summoning was possible, his focus was on minimizing the damage caused by the method he knew, not in trying to rediscover a lost art that may not even exist in a repeatable form. He knowingly used the harmful Ascian method, because not using it would have been so much worse. The best he could accomplish was to include safeguards to ensure Phoenix dispersed when its job was done - and sadly, Bahamut subverted those safeguards, in the end.

[Sylvain]

That said, primal entities mocking kami-possessed objects seem plausible, even if their creation is a bit murky. What's the flashpoint of worshiping an object and filling it with spiritual "faith" aether suddenly becoming a permanent catalyst - a host essence that can trigger its own summoning?

I personally saw it this way. The same way in HW the religion was basically used to channel the prayers' "faith eather" (as you call it).
Except that here, the kojin actually consider the kami as sentient being. So perhaps this consideration is the key element that allows all that either to manifest as a consciouss being.

[Remedi]

Remember that Ga'bu and Gilgamesh most likely knew nothing of how the ritual is handled yet they were able to summon Titan and Enkidoh unconsciously, to me that means that the ritual isn't that much hard to complete provided you have the catalyst to initiate it

[Lubu_Mykono]

I really expect Siegfried and Roy to show up in that fight, as the summoners of that "Primal".

[Cilia]

Remember that Ga'bu and Gilgamesh most likely knew nothing of how the ritual is handled yet they were able to summon Titan and Enkidoh unconsciously, to me that means that the ritual isn't that much hard to complete provided you have the catalyst to initiate it

In Ga Bu's case, the ritual was prepared beforehand (notably including ritual sacrifices, his parents included). Everything was already set up for him, and even then, the Titan he summoned wasn't the "usual" one (being driven by Ga Bu's grief and rage rather than Titan's usual protectiveness toward the kobolds).

In Gilgamesh's case... well, everything that happens in Hildibrand's stories are pseudo-canon for the sake of comedy. That said, the primal that comes out of it isn't like the ones summoned using Ascian rituals - like Susano'o he's exactly what Gilgamesh believed him (or in this case remembered him) to be.