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  1. #421
    Player ShadowHunterrX's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaitoHikari View Post
    I am not attacking you, or at least I originally did not intend to do so up until that whole 'test dummy' post and this reply to me. I was asking you to explain your position in a more reasonable matter, but now I wonder if that is a wasted endeavor.

    Now that I've gone through your posting history, it seems you like to frame yourself as a neutral authority on all matters, but your arguments and motives seem highly disingenuous at best. Your participation in this thread so far has only shown you attacking one side of the argument (the side you claimed to support before editing your post), while ignoring statements from the other that are outright worse than what you're railing against right now. What is your true purpose here?
    I always edited my posts a few times, but the way of posting stays the same so, nothing changes atleast for me. But i am the evil spirit who take away your PHRASER ! Atleast some feel that way if I dont agree with them. For being called toxic for not agreeing is a little weak and most statements I happy to ignore. Like you saying I wanna frame someone ? Come on, people does that to themselfs and I am just calling it out .

    You are in a way right and you are in some ways wrong. If you ask my honest opinion: will Phrasers add something to the game yes. But if i read the comments I also see why the DEVS wont wanna touch it, some of you guys are only just proving there point. ( Very bad cookies here ) Between the very good arguments also there are people just putting salt in the engine. (Which I triggered very easy with just one comment )

    I also ignore statsments as *attacking one side of the argument*. What is attacking.... not agreeing with you ? Being against you ? Am I your enemy ? Do you really think these arguments would anyway benefit your cause to get phrasers.... no and big part of the thread is going that way. Nope, it`s someone else his/her opinion and if i have a friend who doesnt want Phrasers in the game.... soo should I attack her ?

    My purpose... was just too trigger bad cookies. Atleast one genuine person pulled the trigger too add some usefull taughts.... and 2 people where just trying to cause a roar.
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    Last edited by ShadowHunterrX; 07-23-2018 at 05:51 PM.

  2. #422
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    I find myself either taking part in or reading these parser discussions quite often. I'm sure many of you have as well so I have to ask... does anyone else notice a considerable gap in the spelling/grammar/punctuation abilities of the two sides?

    I'm not saying it reflects a deeper intellectual divide but if you guys want to be taken seriously I feel like there is something to be said for well constructed posts. I know sometimes I just won't even finish reading some of these because they just feel incohearent.

    [As an example look no further than the post above this one... interesting to say the least.]
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    Last edited by MoroMurasaki; 07-23-2018 at 05:54 PM.

  3. #423
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    Yeah, no. I see through your purpose, especially since you conveniently ignored the rest of my post. Although it's nice of you to admit that you were only really here to troll in your last statement.

    Even so, I will also admit that SE will retain the status quo as is, as there are far more pressing issues where they are adamant about keeping the status quo on those (as in, the entire content release cycle). They were only too eager to jump on the Koike incident (hell, I was probably the person you heard about it from in the first place) as justification for not officially supporting parsers at all, even though the use of parsers played such a small role in the incident. Still, the idea that this is yet another possible disparity between PC and PS4 users is bothersome, but with the dev team's stance as is and the major outside example (WoW) being the only precedent of what happens when parsers (or more accurately, support for all add-ons) are completely unregulated, it's easy to see why they don't want to touch it at all.

    Still, we all know our community has serious issues with how they approach content. The clear rates being so drastically higher among JP players compared to NA/EU players does not exist without reason, and community mentality is the major difference. Parsers exist among both communities (if anything it seems to be more accepted in the JP playerbase than it is here), so it can't be a major contributing reason for the difference. Considering that SE intends FFXIV to appeal to as many people as possible, the disparity between the communities is the sort of thing that actually affects content design in this game in the long term. The JP community probably hates us for it - in their eyes, all the data is pointing to us holding the game back, while we're sitting around clutching our pearls over how mean other people are for expecting you to actually work with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX View Post
    So first I was editing too much and now I ignore your post because you edited while I was responding. Maybe the Quote says it all and shall read now the rest, if you dont mind your highness.

    @MoroMurasaki
    Damn are you still holding that grudge from last time ? I dont mind really, you guys just keep proving my point.
    The difference is, my edits don't typically change the entire intent of the post, they are merely add-ons.
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    Last edited by SaitoHikari; 07-23-2018 at 06:06 PM.
    "Consider this old adage: When a Bard sings alone in a desert, and no one is around to hear him... Is he truly singing?"

  4. #424
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX View Post
    Am I your enemy ?
    No, you're drunk.
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  5. #425
    Player ShadowHunterrX's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaitoHikari View Post
    Yeah, no. I see through your purpose, especially since you conveniently ignored the rest of my post.

    Even so, I will also admit that SE will retain the status quo as is, as there are far more pressing issues where they are adamant about keeping the status quo on those (as in, the entire content release cycle). They were only too eager to jump on the Koike incident (hell, I was probably the person you heard about it from in the first place) as justification for not officially supporting parsers at all, even though the use of parsers played such a small role in the incident. Still, the idea that this is yet another possible disparity between PC and PS4 users is bothersome, but with the dev team's stance as is and the major outside example (WoW) being the only precedent of what happens when parsers (or more accurately, support for all add-ons) are completely unregulated, it's easy to see why they don't want to touch it at all.

    Still, we all know our community has serious issues with how they approach content. The clear rates being so drastically higher among JP players compared to NA/EU players does not exist without reason. Considering that SE intends FFXIV to appeal to as many people as possible, that's the sort of thing that actually affects content design in this game in the long term.
    So first I was editing too much and now I ignore your post because you edited while I was responding. Maybe the Quote says it all and shall read now the rest, if you dont mind your highness.

    (update)
    Even good player makes mistakes, dont really worry about it. Nobody can do it perfect and It you will keep making mistakes. Sounds to me you dont need some *improvement tool*

    I dont really know much about the NA Raiders Community then only the forums and it`s very negative in my eyes. I can only speak from a European point of view and I must say... There are more reasons things fail here then only bad players, you can see my English sucks balls. But there are more people even that dont speak even a word. So for example some French have a different playstyle in doing raids/extreme then most players and you will see that in PF and DF alot. Even in normal fights you normally would do with ease, you still wipe alot because of this. The improvement tool will not help much here and even if it comes, it wont change much.

    You can improve yourself as much as you want. It`s still a teambased objective game.

    @MoroMurasaki
    Damn are you still holding that grudge from last time ? I dont mind really, just keep proving my point why the DEVS wont add it .
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    Last edited by ShadowHunterrX; 07-23-2018 at 06:38 PM.

  6. #426
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX View Post
    But i am the evil spirit who take away your PHRASER !
    *Parser





    Edit: I'm not native english so I'm wondering what a phraser may be in the first place? Someone who... phrases things for you...? So like... someone writing speeches or such?
    Just joking a bit, don't take this seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX View Post
    Holy pumpkin
    This is a new one.
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    Baby, tell me, what's your motive?

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    Player ShadowHunterrX's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves View Post
    *Parser





    Edit: I'm not native english so I'm wondering what a phraser may be in the first place? Someone who... phrases things for you...? So like... someone writing speeches or such?
    Just joking a bit, don't take this seriously.
    Come with me in the corner and I will teach you some manners !
    (thanks, I was typing it wrong all the time )

    Quote Originally Posted by ErryK View Post
    This is a new one.
    You should try it ! it tasted very good and it`s good for your skills .
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  9. #429
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    Hmm. You remind me of one of my tank friends, who many would swear is toxic when he tries to offer advice in roulettes, but in reality it's more of a difference in mentality and the language barrier as I believe he is from Argentina. I know enough about him to realize that the language barrier really obscures intent and severity.

    ...Right. I will back off. Sorry.
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    Last edited by SaitoHikari; 07-23-2018 at 07:09 PM.
    "Consider this old adage: When a Bard sings alone in a desert, and no one is around to hear him... Is he truly singing?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSeal View Post
    Gamers greed, greed and greed, I don't see NINs use Shadewalker to help the tanks is ages, or anyone use enmity decreaser anymore, I see people argue about who gets the dragoon DS or PLDs forget about their interventions or other defensive single/raid wide skils, also most of the players don't use stuff like Adle, Reprisal, Feint. Sometimes in a simple weekly clear we need to wipe 3/4 times because of a melee greed on extra skills or they just get killed on basic stuff, the examples could be uncountable.
    What you describe I would call a "wannabe".

    And in this case: a parser is your friend, not your enemy.

    I've seen alot people that met the description I quoted above. One thing I can say for sure: they are also don't deal good damage. And numbers will show you the truth.

    Good players do good damage while not ignoring the stuff I quoted. For good players this is mandatory, as they clear the stuff early after release with low gear. And in both Ultimates it is even fully geared mandatory to be successful at all.

    The issue is, the amount of good people in PF parties started to decrease heavily around 5 or 6 weeks after 4.2 got released. Now we are close to 4.4 and you will barely find good players in PF anylonger (maybe with one exception: UwU), as they are done with the content long ago.
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