Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[AmeliaVerves]

Anyway I asked a question few times but nobody got attributes enough to reply to that: If you have orange logs do you think to be a better player than ppl who don’t? if the answer is yes means you are DISCRIMINATING!
Nobody will reply because you know that by replying: Yes I am better! you would give me automatically right.

How is it discriminating to think you are better than someone else? ö.ö Well, it's arrogant to an extend, yes, but discriminating?

[ShadowHunterrX]

I love how people just show here in this thread why they dont add *improve tools* too the game. If you dont see the problem... I shall tell you... YOU GUYS are the reason.

Ofcourse there are many using the already here tools with no hate. But some comments in this thread. Holy pumpkin, why do you even reply... you are just showing why they wont add it.

[Ultima]

I love how people just show here in this thread why they dont add *improve tools* too the game. If you dont see the problem... I shall tell you... YOU GUYS are the reason.

Ofcourse there are many using the already here tools with no hate. But some comments in this thread. Holy pumpkin, why do you even reply... you are just showing why they wont add it.

I'm not seeing you make any argument here, I see you spreading Toxic Casual Propaganda without facts or evidence.

[SargentToughie]

I love how people just show here in this thread why they dont add *improve tools* too the game. If you dont see the problem... I shall tell you... YOU GUYS are the reason.

Ofcourse there are many using the already here tools with no hate. But some comments in this thread. Holy pumpkin, why do you even reply... you are just showing why they wont add it.

If somebody wants to commit murder with a gun, they're likely going to be willing to try the same thing with a knife, or their bare fists.

If somebody wants to be an asshole to you in a video game, they're going to find an excuse to do so regardless of the transparency of your performance compared to their's. The fact that some people may use tools that get added poorly doesn't change the fact that it would be an enormous boon to the casual playerbase, in that it would actually give them some kind of feedback regarding their performance. Of which this game's options for giving that are absolutely appalling right now.

The parser does not turn what would have previously been a mild mannered, quiet party member into a raging asshole. The raging asshole was already there, and he was going to be a raging asshole regardless of the tools at his disposal.

[ShadowHunterrX]

Thanks for being my test dummy's and I have my proof.

We have 2 reply's from 2 different people. 1 person doesnt add anything to the discussion and just start attacking. People like you Ultima are part of the problem. People like you doesnt add anything. Calling someone toxic because I dont agree with you ? Grow up please. I will be ready for your triggered reaction.

SargentToughie, I have nothing to add. I totally agree with you. Like I said in the other topic. People are the problem.

[SargentToughie]

Thanks for being my test dummy's and I have my proof.

We have 2 reply's from 2 different people.

Uh-huh? Care to elaborate on what exactly my post "proved" for you?

I think I laid out my point pretty reasonably. You don't win a discussion just by claiming you did.

EDIT: Oh, they edited their post afterwards. Sorry, misinterpreted what they were trying to say.

[SaitoHikari]

Thanks for being my test dummy's and I have my proof.

We have 2 reply's from 2 different people. 1 person doesnt add anything to the discussion and just start attacking. People like you Ultima are part of the problem. People like you doesnt add anything. I will be ready for your triggered reaction.

SargentToughie, I have nothing to add. I totally agree with you. Like I said in the other topic. People are the problem.

So uh... Are you actually going to argue your case or are you just going to stand there pretending that you've actually made any contribution? You kind of walked into this thread attacking without discussing much of anything yourself. Remember, this is the post you made beforehand.

I love how people just show here in this thread why they dont add *improve tools* too the game. If you dont see the problem... I shall tell you... YOU GUYS are the reason.

Ofcourse there are many using the already here tools with no hate. But some comments in this thread. Holy pumpkin, why do you even reply... you are just showing why they wont add it.

So... Why -are- 'these guys' the 'reason' exactly? What do you mean exactly by 'you guys'? What is 'the reason' exactly?

Uh-huh? Care to elaborate on what exactly my post "proved" for you?

I think I laid out my point pretty reasonably. You don't win a discussion just by claiming you did.

EDIT: Oh, they edited their post afterwards. Sorry, misinterpreted what they were trying to say.

Nah. I saw that post before it was edited. Your post has said reply before it was edited. He clearly posted that reply to frame you as some imaginary enemy (remember: he said test dummy-s-) before actually reading and trying to understand what your post contained, and backpedaled in an attempt to save face. He doesn't get off the hook for that.

[ShadowHunterrX]

So uh... Are you actually going to argue your case or are you just going to stand there pretending that you've actually made any contribution? You kind of walked into this thread attacking without discussing much of anything yourself. Remember, this is the post you made.



So... Why -are- 'these guys' the 'reason' exactly? What do you mean exactly by 'you guys'? What is 'the reason' exactly?



Nah. I saw that post before it was edited. Your post has said reply before it was edited. He clearly posted that reply to frame you as some imaginary enemy before actually reading what your post contained, and backpedaled in an attempt to save face. He doesn't get off the hook for that.

Why would see SargentToughie as enemy ?

Like I said before. You have 2 types of people here, people who are genuine about phrasers and will use them normally ( SargentToughie ) and you have people just attacking others for not sharing there opinion. Kinda what you are doing at the moment, making a fuss because some uncompleted reply is kinda making me worried how you act ingame. It also kinda proving the point why DEVS dont want phrasers in the game.

I dont see een reason why, because I am not against phrasers at all. So I dont see a reason to defend or attack.

[SaitoHikari]

Why would see SargentToughie as enemy ?

Like I said before. You have 2 types of people here, people who are genuine about phrasers and will use them normally ( SargentToughie ) and you have people just attacking others for not sharing there opinion. Kinda what you are doing at the moment, making a fuss because some uncompleted reply. I dont see een reason why, because I am not against phrasers at all.

I am not attacking you, or at least I originally did not intend to do so up until that whole 'test dummy' post and this reply to me. I was asking you to explain your position in a more reasonable matter, but now I wonder if that is a wasted endeavor.

Now that I've gone through your posting history, it seems you like to frame yourself as a neutral authority on all matters, but your arguments and motives seem highly disingenuous at best. Your participation in this thread so far has only shown you attacking one side of the argument (the side you claimed to support before editing your post), while ignoring statements from the other that are outright worse than what you're railing against right now. What is your true purpose here?

If you really want to know what I do in-game though, since you brought that topic up in your edited version of this post, I just do whatever catches my fancy. I have not actually needed to do my weeklies since 8 weeks ago (and thus have 8+ pages from each Sigmascape fight sitting around with no real plans to use them for alt classes since I realistically only play Bard anyway, despite having all but 5 jobs maxed out), but I still do it since there's not much else to do, and I know there are always people that aren't in the same position and need help. I will actually join clear parties for my weeklies if I cannot run with my static for whatever reason, because I understand there are people that just require an extra push to clear and need to find party members with more understanding and patience to see them through. Although I will also admit that, at least for NA, our PF descriptions really tend to overestimate our actual progress into learning a fight.

Despite being a higher percentile raider (91+ across all of Sigmascape as of the time of this post), I am not without flaws. I will admit that I wiped a Tsuki EX party tonight due to an error that was entirely my fault, for something that should have never happened if I had paid more attention. Not having done Tsuki EX since week 1 isn't much of an excuse, and I am legitimately sorry to that party, if anyone from there is reading this. Although I did choose to excuse myself from said party afterwards due to not wanting to be a burden on the remaining members since I clearly needed to re-learn the fight myself, in the hopes that said party wouldn't collapse by itself.

I find raiders in FFXIV are a fair bit different from raiders of other games. Remember that this is a community where concerns of a lack of content is a constant topic, dating all the way back to Heavensward 3.1 (or even before that). The majority of people I've run into in raids in FFXIV are only doing it because they've exhausted all other content in the game. Most didn't even believe in themselves enough to think that they actually had a shot at clearing O8S before the next patch, but that doesn't stop them from trying, either for themselves or for their friends. Are they suddenly that evil for choosing to spend enough time in this game to go towards that direction, rather than to simply play a different game or handle other affairs?

[Jinxie]

Coming from wow, and having used recount in wow, I can say...Parsers pose both a positive and negative for gamers.

On one hand, I see why people want them. I love to track my dps and try my best to improve!

But, I know 100% FOR A FACT that this will cause people to just indiscriminately kick people for 'low dps'. People will flame, and hate, and be unduly rude to someone who may very well be 'new' to the class or game as a whole, which sours the entire experience.

The fact of the matter is people can't be trusted with parsers in the open because that will happen. People suck and while many of us could potentially parse responsibly? The majority won't and as soon as it became 'ok' the floodgates of haters will open.

Also, as a world-first raider in wow who came from a situation of PAID gaming for pushing the stats to the limit and the dps to the very edges of what a player can achieve? As someone who spent 12 hours a day preparing for an 8-hour raid nearly every night during high-time raiding content?

The people who complain the MOST about 'baddies' aren't usually the good players or cutting-edge raiders. They're the wannabe poser elites who just crap on people to feel better about themselves. The real trail-blazing raiders don't usually complain if someone has low dps if they're progressing if they're learning if they continue to improve. Because that cutting-edge level content requires patience. Wipe after wipe after wipe, sometimes only gaining 2% ground on a boss on day one each try.

This caliber of player understands that 'skill' isn't just a number on a parser but in the resilience of the player and their ability to learn and respond to both mechanics, and to their fellow teammates. When someone isn't performing, isn't trying and isn't putting out dps one of two things will happen. Thing one: they don't flame the person, they simply remove them. No words, no hate, nothing but a swift kick and moving on. Thing two: They explain "hey, it looks like you're going to need to work on some things before you're ready for this content. Here are a few learning sources, and some tips for later. We wish you luck but unfortunately, you're not working for us right now." and a kick.


So I have to side with SE in regards to parsers sadly. As much as I'd love one, I love the environment of less hate more. It'd be great to track myself, and perhaps they could add that, a self-parser. Because if people can track others legally, the only thing that will come, is people bashing others without regards to anything other than a number on a list.