Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[luicei375]

I feel like I shouldn't add fuel to the fire, but isn't OP basically contradicting himself by being the selfish one here? Or did someone already brought this up?

[SiggurdArda]

"How about.....No." (c)

First of all, you mixed up everything in your message. Almost all issues of bad players in one place. And these issues have absolutely nothing to do with parses. Bad players will stay bad no matter if there is parsing tool in the game or not.

I think you don't understand main purpose of parsing and fflogs. I mean, AT ALL. People (I mean, decent people) are using it for learning, for analyzing, to improve themselves. To understand what they've done wrong, where they made mistakes. Mostly for good players it's only a tool for improvement.
And I can assure you, almost none of "orange players" will blame you for green/gray parses as long as you are willing to learn and want to become better. And those who are blaming others for bad parses mostly end up in everyone's blacklist. So there is no discrimination at all.

So in the end... instead of blaming a tool (a great tool, i'd say), I would suggest you to learn more about game you are playing and your class in particular, and - exactly! - to have fun, instead of bringing these SJW-kind wars into the game.

Cheers!

[Genoreaper]

Personally I'd love my own parser. Let's be real they are already against the rules but still obviously around. So why not balance it out for console players. Let me view my own parses even if just as a little fluctuating number on my hud during encounters. As a black mage a huge part of my gameplay is maxing out my damage, doing the most I can every fight, testing different spots to stand to maximize uptime. There is no concrete way to do this right now.

We have the "good enough" dps stones but they don't really tell you much of anything except "sure that's alright"
But let's say I want to play around with openers, check my burst windows with cooldowns vs without. Check my pvp damage ect.

There is no harm in me seeing my own numbers, comparing my productivity between my classes. Specifically knowing if this Roration is better than that one. I actually am happy to pug into a group with a parser and am always curious about my numbers. If we remove the taboo then all kinds of resources can become openly available as everyone works on theory crafting as a community.

As of right now console players are at a disadvantage and have to rely on finding a pc player for all info, what if I would like to compare stat weights, try different melds ect? Why would people want to play blindly, if this was strictly enforced to where NO parsers exist then fine, but if you can't stop that at least level the playing field.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

YO!

This tool looks amazing! I know it's super simple right now, but are there any plans to expand it to cover more jobs? I'd absolutely adore having something like this available, especially if I ever end up flexing jobs/roles in later tiers.

Yes. They have an outline of their projected plans on reddit. Currently, the development only consists of a WAR, SCH and SMN, which is why those jobs are showcased. It's still early in development. They simply wanted to show a public release.

[KaivaC]

Yes. They have an outline of their projected plans on reddit. Currently, the development only consists of a WAR, SCH and SMN, which is why those jobs are showcased. It's still early in development. They simply wanted to show a public release.

Are there any tools that you would suggest, either complete or in development, from trusted parties, that you would say are worth paying attention as well? I wouldn't have known about this without this thread, tbh. Could be helpful for other potential raiders to know about as well.

[Ilan]

Often I feel unemployed over over eagerly addicted speedrun people use these to cause flames and madness and show their pro-ness.
Just like you guys like your rankings and whatnot, I do not. This is not my job.

Its funny that almost always these anti parser people are the real toxic people who insult others and force their will on them (yes playing how you want in groupdungeon is exactly this). Also a hint for you: A lot of people who do speedruns are people who are working and want to get things done and don't want to waste their little free time with people who think they are the gods of the game just because they pay a sub.

[van_arn]

I keep seeing people throw "toxic elitist" around, but a lot of people seem to give the toxic casuals a free pass in this game, for some reason. The original post is what I'd consider toxic, as well as the followups that attempt to justify that toxicity.

Running an expert, extreme, or Savage while not at the very least being able to clear SSS *IS TOXIC* and the players that attempt this because they're just in it for a free carry deserve every kick and blacklist they earn.

[Sigma-Astra]

Dont worry, I understand you have limitations. And likely cannot multitask or read fast, alot cant, you do not have to feel bad.

If only common sense and humility was mandatory and not a volunteer skill for some people...

If only...

There was no point into reading your nonsensical garbage in-depth nor fast, my intellect would have suffered for it.

I have a Bachelor's degree and graduated at the top of my class, own several of my own storefronts online for my art. And you are.....what? Why should I care?

You got the Mesuline Mauler title, congrats, that makes you believe to be a better player and forum poster than Bourne and Hyo, who I have seen to be nothing but nice players and people, while you, good sir, are being less than that towards everyone for no reason.

Sorry for late response, I was at work multitasking several things at once since that tends to happen when you work.

[SargentToughie]

Its funny that almost always these anti parser people are the real toxic people who insult others and force their will on them (yes playing how you want in groupdungeon is exactly this). Also a hint for you: A lot of people who do speedruns are people who are working and want to get things done and don't want to waste their little free time with people who think they are the gods of the game just because they pay a sub.

Didn't you get the memo? Our desire to have an efficient run with little in the way of setbacks or wipes makes us jobless neckbeards that only clear content because our evil, voodoo magic parsers allow us to. In order for them to work, we must make our ritualistic sacrifice of the innocent casuals. If you don't flame at least 10 casuals before going for a legitimate clear, you'll be cursed with a PURPLE fight on FFlogs, the horror!

They're entitled to join us no matter how many times they die, how little damage they do, or how little they care to improve themselves! And if you dare attempt to take away this sacred, Yoshida given right, god help you they will make a very angry, passive aggressive forum post about how toxic and rude the raiding player base is.

We are OBLIGATED to give them our time, or we're the assholes.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Are there any tools that you would suggest, either complete or in development, from trusted parties, that you would say are worth paying attention as well? I wouldn't have known about this without this thread, tbh. Could be helpful for other potential raiders to know about as well.

Sadly, the rDPS hasn't been updated in a while. So I can no longer recommend that. Outside of programs, there are some very good guides available on The Moogle Post or simply joining The Balance are your best bets.

We are OBLIGATED to give them our time, or we're the assholes.

Sadly, Yoshida only threw gasoline on that fire. I'd have to dig for the exact quote but he basically said he wants veteran players to "pick up the slack for those struggling." Now I suspect he meant people still learning, not simply players who couldn't give a damn except to show up. Of course, people are going to run with a comment like that.