24 man raid loot system

[Vaer]

There really isn't any way to fix it completely without a real overhaul. People would just in progress fish instead if you weight more loot on the final boss. They already get the tomes if they in progress to the end now they would get even more chances at gear.

Putting a giant penalty wouldn't fix anything it would just make it potentially even more annoying, people will just dc or sit there afk until you kick them. Honestly, them dropping out is preferable since you just get a rep and keep going than getting into a situation where they occupy a slot doing nothing until they are kicked.

[Hamada]

You got rid of the greed only rule and we thank you for that. But the 24 man raid loot system still suffers from some really annoying issues that I feel could be easily resolved.

1. People leaving once they get their loot: This is annoying when someone gets their drop from the first boss then leaves the group. This means now someone new is gonna join, possibly someone who you or someone in your party now has to compete with for their drop.

No idea on what can be done but I can explain why people will do this and why I will never do a repeat full run for the same week.

If you do it once for the week and get no drop, then doing it again means getting the drop and leaving. There is no incentive to stay, it is boring or frustrating to do to simply spam, depending who you get grouped with. It is mentally exhausting to spend around 30 mins per run carrying healers as a DPS that can raise, so people do not really want to keep doing it and stay. It is not fun, in other words, dealing with the huge skill gap, something SE thought they would change with these meters, and yet had no impact.

There really isn't any way to fix it completely without a real overhaul. People would just in progress fish instead if you weight more loot on the final boss. They already get the tomes if they in progress to the end now they would get even more chances at gear.

Putting a giant penalty wouldn't fix anything it would just make it potentially even more annoying, people will just dc or sit there afk until you kick them. Honestly, them dropping out is preferable since you just get a rep and keep going than getting into a situation where they occupy a slot doing nothing until they are kicked.

yeah that is exactly what i was getting at

[Doozer]

People would just in progress fish instead if you weight more loot on the final boss.

Yeah people used to do this a whole lot back in 2.x, though it seems to be less now. Queuing up for any alliance raid was never a problem of waiting for everyone to ready up, but instead having the window pop then disappear because someone withdrew, then pop, withdrew, pop, withdrew, pop, withdrew, etc. etc. because some lazy idiot wanted to just fight the last boss instead of doing the whole thing.

[ValentineSnow]

There really isn't any way to fix it completely without a real overhaul. People would just in progress fish instead if you weight more loot on the final boss. They already get the tomes if they in progress to the end now they would get even more chances at gear.

Putting a giant penalty wouldn't fix anything it would just make it potentially even more annoying, people will just dc or sit there afk until you kick them. Honestly, them dropping out is preferable since you just get a rep and keep going than getting into a situation where they occupy a slot doing nothing until they are kicked.

In progress fishing doesn't really happen anymore, you get the penalty if you withdraw 3 times. And if all the loot was at the end it would deincentivise leaving mid match so there would be less in progress runs to fish for. I don't see this being an issue and you don't really want to discourage people from joining in progress.

[Vaer]

In progress fishing doesn't really happen anymore, you get the penalty if you withdraw 3 times. And if all the loot was at the end it would deincentivise leaving mid match so there would be less in progress runs to fish for. I don't see this being an issue and you don't really want to discourage people from joining in progress.

It's not an issue now because there is really no reason to do it (btw each slot drops from two bosses right now (legs is from 2 and 4, chest is from 3 and 4, etc, it's spread out in a way to encourage people that are targeting a specific slot to stay), but your proposal increases the amount of gear the final boss drops by 6 times. 12 drops from one boss that can be anything in the instance. That's already two times the amount the other 3 bosses drop put together.

I mean I can either just fish the in progress and kill one boss for 12 chances at a piece of gear or start from the beginning and depending on the slot have 2-4 chances at my gear but have to kill 3 times as many bosses and in between trash.

People also leave for other reasons, like if the party is bad, it took too long due to wipes so they had to leave, they just straight up had to leave etc. not only gear.

Yeah, I get it, people loot and scooting is annoying but there's not much you can do about it with the system as is without introducing other problems unless they change it to personal loot. Really, the weekly lock is to blame.