Lucky Bancho and NA raiding problems.

[Reinha]

If you raid in an MMO, and you play in NA/EU, you've probably already been raiding for over a decade, and you likely raid in another MMO, an MMO that isn't anywhere even near remotely as popular in Japan as it is in those two regions. Simply put, the "best" raiders in NA/EU are raiding in WoW.

This is it tbh. WoW offers a far superior raiding experience and much more fluid game play even if other parts of the game are garbage. Why would anyone who's primarily interested in raiding wait 6+ months for 4 more raid bosses here when they could have double or triple that and have a flexible party size system* and have 3 difficulties with separate loot lockouts above the matchmaking difficulty and be able to do bosses in any order* and have a personal loot system with the ability to trade your loot to party members and have special achievements for killing raid bosses in weird ways. And I haven't even touched on class or boss design. (*except in the hardest difficulty)

It's just a far more raider friendly experience that it's no wonder there aren't that many raiders here on the EU and NA servers. FFXIV raiders are not necessarily worse than in WoW but I guess they have much more interest in good graphics, character customization, housing, casual side content and different lore, which might explain why those things are discussed so much on this forum and Reddit compared to PvE content.

[Aomine1992]

Raiding in this game is not that great like at all, the loot system is complete TRASH no matter what anyone says it's just intolerant...also they are all the same literally most of the mechanics are rehashes of coil and the bosses in V4s and V8s become very similar quickly....

It's not interesting at all and sometimes not even worth it, people usually just speed run and do it for competition purposes

Ultimate is great but that's about it lol

[Driskus]

The big reason I don't do harder raids/EX outside of maybe giving it an attempt or two through the DF on release day is because my work schedule is totally random. It makes a static impossible to get because of the lack of consistency. That combined with cultural differences in the DF between JP & NA and it results in a lot of salty players and votekicks/abandons because we have different expectations using the DF than they do.

When I do look at the PF, often listings have such high expectations that they're not worth joining for someone going in for their first time, or require gear level from completing the content to even join. Sure, I could try making my own, but even that can go horribly wrong fairly quickly.

What turned me off from trying EX stuff outside of release day is when I queued up for Susano EX one day. I set the options as first phase/practice, expecting the raid finder to not put first-timers into a speedkill/parse group, but that's exactly what happened, several times in a row. All resulted in vote abandons. I gave up after that. I assume at this point that those options in the raid finder mean nothing, because they don't seem to change anything. I did manage to get two groups in the first couple days that O1S was out through the raid finder that got to enrage, but that's as far as I ever got.

[Hyperia]

They would have to I’ll the meta thing and shutdown parsers and fflogs in my opinion. I got chased away from raiding becaus when I healed, I focused on healing and did very little dps. When I tried to tank savage, I played mt as a defensive pld but also did little dps. Both times when I tried to do more dps I failed miserably. I can do the pure role just fine but I really suck at the job + dps thing so I simply quit. I haven’t raided in nearly a year now. I have considered trying again but every time I try, those memories of my dps sucking hold me back. I don’t play a dps job because I sick at those even more.

So, I’ll stick to being a very good mt for the 24 playe raids, normal raids, trials and dungeons. I’ve tried and tried to do savage but I have amply given up.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

They would have to I’ll the meta thing and shutdown parsers and fflogs in my opinion. I got chased away from raiding becaus when I healed, I focused on healing and did very little dps. When I tried to tank savage, I played mt as a defensive pld but also did little dps. Both times when I tried to do more dps I failed miserably. I can do the pure role just fine but I really suck at the job + dps thing so I simply quit. I haven’t raided in nearly a year now. I have considered trying again but every time I try, those memories of my dps sucking hold me back. I don’t play a dps job because I sick at those even more.

So, I’ll stick to being a very good mt for the 24 playe raids, normal raids, trials and dungeons. I’ve tried and tried to do savage but I have amply given up.

The only way to improve is through trial and error. You will die, however there isn't anything wrong with that in a learning party. What I would recommend is practicing more aggressive tanking or healing in dungeons, trials and 24 mans. This allows you to a chance to make mistakes without necessarily dying. Tanking in DPS stance generally consists of doing the same things except you need to map your CDs better. Lets look at Demon Chadarnook Savage for a moment. Demonic Shear is the buster, thus you want to plan ahead and have a CD available. My general rotation for it on Warrior is as followed...

1. Thrill + Rampart (SCH/AST shields make this negligible)
2. Vengeance
3. Holmgang (If my HP is high and/or I have a shield, I may take it naked)

And repeat. You will always have these abilities available, or their equivalents for PLD and DRK. A good way to prepare yourself is watching PoVs on youtube and seeing what CDs they used. This will help give you an idea what to do yourself.

Healing is much the same. Don't be afraid to leave people's health below max and let your regens do the work. Unless a mechanic will cause high outgoing damage, there is no need to heal them. I frequently roll out a single Medica II and only spot heal the tanks as necessary—letting Assize handle things in between. Once again, practice being more aggressive in easier content. If someone dies, don't beat yourself up. It happens, and you're learning. Before I set foot in Ultimate, I was once a baby healer and tank who wiped parties learning how to push my own limits. There's never any shame in it, so long as you acknowledge your mistakes. If someone pisses and moans, try not to let it get to you. Mistakes will happen, even to the best of us.

[Renato]

I got chased away from raiding becaus when I healed, I focused on healing and did very little dps. When I tried to tank savage, I played mt as a defensive pld but also did little dps. Both times when I tried to do more dps I failed miserably. I can do the pure role just fine but I really suck at the job + dps thing so I simply quit. I haven’t raided in nearly a year now. I have considered trying again but every time I try, those memories of my dps sucking hold me back. I don’t play a dps job because I sick at those even more.

You get a lot of NA players at 70 who can't even do the DPS people were able to do at 60.

The comments above are why I haven't dabbled in hardcore raiding too much. I've done a few of the Warring Triad Savage and Alexander Savage runs and between people just wanting to pump out DPS and not grabbing/understanding the mechanics as fast as others, it was such a turn-off. Roles pretty much don't exist because basically every class is expected to be a DPS and you're looked at as a terrible player if damage is not up to snuff. It's the community more so than the fact that the content is too hard...they aren't the most excepting to players new to the scene which is why I feel like people don't attempt it as much...That and the fact that the rewards from it aren't worth it for the amount of trouble one has to go through finding a dedicated party of patient people who keep dying repeatedly. I also hate the fact that people expect you to know the fight before with a response being watch a guide. I hate it and I feel like it takes the fun out of the game...I know people want to get through content quickly but learning a fight is more fun to me.

I'm all for harder content btw as well as becoming a better player. I personally just don't feel like Savage is worth the headache. For the people who like it and are able to get through it, more power to you but's not for everyone.

[Hamada]

I'm not meaning nerfing or anything, but the game doesnt really give you much reason to raid at all. Like the weapons are useless since virtually all content is ilvlcapped, often incredibly low. There are the mounts, but at this point we are drowning in them. Maybe others have better ideas, but like in other games, raiders actively look for new players and ask them to join raiding guilds. Here you are lucky if even your fc asks you.

Why should I bother to raid when the gear is outdated in 2-6 months? that is the issue for this.

[MrMagnificent]

I think I am done trying to raid in this game (I might even unsub permanently because of it). Clearing the fight is not the goal for most people in this community. It is all about parse padding.

There is a ceiling to how much you know about your job's rotation and execution. Once you've reached this ceiling the only way to build up the numbers and be "good" is to be a suicidal dps player to the detriment of the party. Hyper aggressive playstyles doesn't suit me for not only this game but in video games period.

[JumperX]

I've participate in raids and ex primals. I don't dp it anymore amd become a casual player because I've other priorities such as school and jobs. At lrast the game pay me the amount I earn from my jobs or give me As so I can skip school and studying time, i don't feel there is enough motivation.

I'm sure a lot pf people are in my shoes and decided to just shift to casual player or just quit/take a break from the game

[Vaer]

Our buddies overseas are just more organized is all. I've read that they just go with "safer" strategies (something that is easy to follow and not risky like some of the ones we come up with [aka Uptime/padding]) that everyone tries to follow and they have explanation macros for people out of the loop. Over here, you just pull and hope everyone didn't lie and knows what they are doing. Just different mentalities really. In the end, a clear is a clear.

Organization makes pugging less annoying. Remember Tsuku EX? People came up with like 3 different meteor strategies which caused problems. Would not be surprised if a large portion of time in parties were spent arguing on which meteor placement strategy was better vs. actually just doing the fight and/or wiping because some people knew one strategy and others knew another.