Confused about people's obsession with open world raids/dungeons.

[WiiSam]

WiiSam! You gots ta shut the gate! Dooo eeeet!!!

(Didn't think this thread was against open world content, just competitive open-world PvE dungeons).

You are right, that is exactly what this thread is about. There are just a lot of folk who aren't getting it. The folks who want open world competition are full of slippery slopes:

-They say botting is not an excuse because you can bot instances, but what they don't get is that botting in an instance doesn't screw anyone over.

-They say instances are boring because who wants to sit in town and teleport to a dungeon, when that is not at all necessary. Nobody is teleporting to darkhold. They also don't realise they are sitting in town just the same spamming for a party to go a kill an open world nm just like they would spam for a party to go complete an instance.

-They use bowl of embers as an example as to why dungeons lack exploration, when that is a flaw with design, not a flaw with instances. Instances can be as big and massive as they decide to create them.

-They say instances cause people to /afk at the aeth waiting all day for a party when all they do is /afk at an NM's spawn waiting for it the same way :S.

-They say they want to meet random people to help them kill these open world NMs but they are definitely going to use their LS or find a pt in town, so point moot.

-They say a lot of things that I, and many others, have refuted, but they insist that my points have been refuted over and over, which I have yet to see because all arguments entail slippery slopes. Matter of fact they are such trolls by nature they will read through this post and analyze the crap out of it to make and when they realize that a few of my points aren't exactly slippery slopes they will say im a dumbass who doesn't know what a slippery slope is. Which has nothing to do with the argument.

Raffle Faffle.

[Richard_BG]

not one of ffxi's endgames had the "same" gear though. at most they all had full sets and maybe 1-2 items in them that you would want for each class other then getting the rest so you can store it on npc. if a nm had a sword of gluttony and a instance had it, one of the 2 content = not a point in doing though. and also most will just pick the easiest route. in ffxi all those content were all worth doing if wanted to. yes you could do all week sky ls or do a sky/sea ls but they all had there reasons to be there. if they both had the same gear it would literally void one of them. ffxi did a great job in keeping all gear wanted and i loved that and hopefully they shape up and get back to that focus.

inb4 Einherjar vs. Kings

[Rokien]

You are right, that is exactly what this thread is about. There are just a lot of folk who aren't getting it. The folks who want open world competition are full of slippery slopes:

-They say botting is not an excuse because you can bot instances, but what they don't get is that botting in an instance doesn't screw anyone over.

-They say instances are boring because who wants to sit in town and teleport to a dungeon, when that is not at all necessary. Nobody is teleporting to darkhold. They also don't realise they are sitting in town just the same spamming for a party to go a kill an open world nm just like they would spam for a party to go complete an instance.

-They use bowl of embers as an example as to why dungeons lack exploration, when that is a flaw with design, not a flaw with instances. Instances can be as big and massive as they decide to create them.

-They say instances cause people to /afk at the aeth waiting all day for a party when all they do is /afk at an NM's spawn waiting for it the same way :S.

-They say they want to meet random people to help them kill these open world NMs but they are definitely going to use their LS or find a pt in town, so point moot.

-They say a lot of things that I, and many others, have refuted, but they insist that my points have been refuted over and over, which I have yet to see because all arguments entail slippery slopes. Matter of fact they are such trolls by nature they will read through this post and analyze the crap out of it to make and when they realize that a few of my points aren't exactly slippery slopes they will say im a dumbass who doesn't know what a slippery slope is. Which has nothing to do with the argument.

Raffle Faffle.

-I just out claim the bot
-I never said that.
-Nope, I didn't
-Nope, again
-Umm I don't wanna meet random people to kill an nm, I want to meet random people and explore and do stuff. If I'm on, and I feel like I wanna explore, but nobody else does, I wanna run into people along the way.
-Nope, not one time have you refuted any of MY comments, you never even responded to one of mine(maybe 2). I never said you were a "dumbass".<--- Thats counting for everyone the 2 responses. maybe 4, but ya, they didn't refute me in anyway.

[WiiSam]

-I just out claim the bot
-I never said that.
-Nope, I didn't
-Nope, again
-Umm I don't wanna meet random people to kill an nm, I want to meet random people and explore and do stuff. If I'm on, and I feel like I wanna explore, but nobody else does, I wanna run into people along the way.
-Nope, not one time have you refuted any of MY comments, you never even responded to one of mine(maybe 2). I never said you were a "dumbass".

:S Never had a problem with your posts. Me not wanting open competition doesn't harm your "running into people along the way." So I'm glad what you want and what I want can co-exist.

[Rokien]

Like, Mabinogi was the best MMO in ideas ever, it just lacked in graphics(didn't age well) also, it was mostly instances, which REALLY turned me away. It was just sooo blah, though all the ideas they put in the game were amazing, and would be/is kinda my favorite mmo. I like that competition, though, I also like a few instances here and there as well. FFXIV is not doing instances well right now, they are terrible. If they keep em how they are now, I just want pure open world.

[NadienKirisame]

Here... watch this... the whole thing... this is what most of you humans strive for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2mLuK9edk

Your base instincts tell you to fight and compete... so you can get stronger and evolve into something greater.

Those who are weak and cannot keep up always pull for the equality and equal sharing of wealth and such... communism or socialists come to mind when this comes up...

In the end I will stick with what I have said... for those that love to compete and fight it out for gear and such... give them the open world events that they wish for. For those that do not wish to do that give those the instanced dungeons they wish for. Both sides can be happy and both sides can have what they wish... taking away one aspect or side of this because you feel it is not right and that the competition is wrong in some way is a selfish act on your part and you are trying to remove the fun and wants of others from the game.

Both sides can have what they want and both sides can be happy... if you cannot see this fact or refuse to see it then you are nothing more then a selfish blind fool... I do hope you can see this but then again I have started to lose hope in you humans...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[Amsai]

inb4 Einherjar vs. Kings

I cant possibly "This" Enough.

[Majidah]

People who only want instanced content should be playing an offline game with maybe a co-op function instead of a mmorpg isntead of screwing us all because it doesn't suit their tastes.

Instaces take the mm out of the orpg.

And don't get me started about the people who want to divide the servers by region.

[Firon]

Are you attempting to imply that botting wasn't rampant in XI with this post?

I'm not saying it was not rampart but you never knew who was truly botting your best friend could have been botting you would not know I was accused over 50 times i was a botter when i only played on ps2.

Edit: Even when i ran my own ls i had ls mates claiming other ls was botting and had to calm them down
it's damn near impossible to tell if someone has a claiming bot, but an movement speed or walking thru wall bot or claiming a mob 100 feet away is pretty obvious.

[Coglin]

The way the game is set up right now, instanced encounters only allow one group. Thats where I take issue, I want content that requires more then 1 group as an option, so I can bring 3 groupd from my LS, to kill a mob that takes 20-25 players to kill. Let the bots claim that if they exist there. If someone besides my raid pary had 20-25 people there and ready, then they are entitled to it, if they claim it first. If they don't have a full raid party there, they die, and lose the claim anyway, and it no longer becomes an issue.