Character Creation Has A Race Problem

[Nandina]

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I didn’t ignore your post, I quoted from that exact post where you posted the picture. Saying that either of our foundation colors aren’t there doesn’t justify why they can’t be added in, and it doesn’t explain why they aren’t. It also doesn’t justify why the blocks on the color grid are identical. It doesn’t negate my initial point or my response to you. The picture you posted was a darker Hyur with a red undertone (I already said the red undertone was there), and that wasn’t anyone’s kinky/curly hair. Just because you feel that there are a good variety of skin tones, doesn’t mean I have to feel the same way as you. So just because you’re cold, that means I’m not hot? That’s your opinion and I’m not obligated to share it. Your choice to not ask for Asian skin tones that match you, has nothing to do with me asking for more varied shades of brown. No one is saying that’s a grave social injustice. No one is saying not having a wider array of skin tones is a civil rights issue. It’s not my fault that there were very few options for other phenotypes on the Hyur. I just happened to point out that imbalance. If there was not a discrepancy to begin with, people wouldn’t ask for other hair options and facial features.

You’re arguing semantics. You all are hyper sensitive and stuck on the word race, and the fact I used real life as examples of the type of phenotypes I’m speaking of. There’s nothing wrong with mentioning black people; there’s nothing wrong with mentioning white people. It’s reality and a much more simpler way to articulate what I was referring to because everyone knows what a black and white person look like when they log off. As I get older, I see why Squidward had very low tolerance for Patrick, because explaining a simple easily understood concept to you and a few others is just as mind numbing. Saying “Character Creation Has A Race Problem” stands, because the specific race (Hyur) has limited customization. Limited customization being the problem. Therefor Character Customization Has A Race Problem. Even If I titled the thread “Problem With Limited Hyur Customization”, it wouldn’t have changed the point. Again, there’s mention of tumblr as if mentioning it adds weight to your argument, but you and a few others are clearly the ones who desperately need a trigger warning.

[Tsumdere]

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1. You did not quote from the original post I put the screenshot in.

2. It was direct proof there is black features in this game (which was an argument of yours, don't say it wasn't), nothing to do with skintone.

3. Lol. You directly edited Bourne_Endevor's quote from "non-white" to "non-people".

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4. You changed your post to quote my screenshot post once you were called out for ignoring me. I see you and I know other people do too.

You are troll and/or purposefully inflammatory. I was giving it the benefit of the doubt because I have genuinely known people like you in real life, but quote editing sealed the deal. Anyone else can talk to me about the issues since I think the representation of minorities in video games is a fascinating topic that deserves to be discussed (wrote many an essay on the portrayal of women and ethnic minorities in horror/video games), but not particularly interested in someone who cherry picks. Goodbye.

[Nandina]

1. You did not quote from the original post I put the screenshot in.

2. It was direct proof there is black features in this game (which was an argument of yours, don't say it wasn't), nothing to do with skintone.

3. Lol. You directly edited Bourne_Endevor's quote from "non-white" to "non-people".

You are troll and/or purposefully inflammatory. Goodbye.

How am I trolling again? I knew someone would attempt to say that, which is why I screenshot it.

[Nandina]

How am I trolling again? I knew someone would attempt to say that, which is why I screenshot it.

Well aren't you rude. I was just poking in jest, but ya really gotta insinuate we're stupid and you're not.

Most people are on board with wanting more natural and wavy hair. That would be really nice. Almost all of my characters are black and I would kill for some curls to go with them. But, you made it into some sort of weird pseudo-race war thing. That's where you've lost people, including myself.

Don't get pissy when a single fictional race in a fictional world doesn't conform to real life. You can make beautiful dark skinned people from almost all the races in this game. Different faces have different structures, just like there is one Miqo'te face that has full lips that is very nice. If you wanna cry about diversity, try not being a pasty white moon cat and play in character creation a little longer.

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Something I whipped up in character creation in about 5 minutes to prove a point. She's very nice and I actually might use this face set up for a future character.

So again, I quoted the same post, lmao.

[Nandina]

4. You changed your post to quote my screenshot post once you were called out for ignoring me. I see you and I know other people do too.

You are troll and/or purposefully inflammatory. I was giving it the benefit of the doubt because I have genuinely known people like you in real life, but quote editing sealed the deal. Anyone else can talk to me about the issues since I think the representation of minorities in video games is a fascinating topic that deserves to be discussed (wrote many an essay on the portrayal of women and ethnic minorities in horror/video games), but not particularly interested in someone who cherry picks. Goodbye.

Playing victim I see. You can only post but so much at one time, therefor I have to go back and edit my posts to attempt to address everyone because you only get to post but so much in a day. Just because you weren't addressed when you wanted to be, doesn't mean I was ignoring you. You posting that picture didn't address the problem.

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You all are hyper sensitive and stuck on the word race

Not really, there's a very good reason to be "hyper sensitive" about it. What OP describing: hairstyles, nose, skin tones, facial features. The term for that is ethnicity, not race. The races are hyur, elezen, miqote, au ra, roegadyn, lalafell. The only single racial attribute on each race: tails, ears, muscles. That's it. Everyone don't have a problem with more ethnic features, everyone will have a problem with more racial features because it's the one thing that makes them unique (Tails/Ears/Muscles).

OP is simple example of what every culture-invariant company like SE dreads, people who don't know the difference between race and culture/ethnic. Is it reason to limit character creation? No. People can be educated properly, SE just have to make that distinction clear.

Don't take it personally but I understand where SE stands or why they did this limitation. SE as japanese/asian company, I also live in a country with distinct 600+ tribe cultures, not just few like in US. If any single culture claims to be in higher place than any other or in a gaming platform were to given special treatment permanently, there would be riots. All this could have been avoided with simple "I want more African-American culture featured in character creation". Certainly that would be received more welcomed, and yes I do think they need it too.