Please fix tank accessories already, it's been 3 patches

[Cirgellon]

The problem with your rational is that you are trying to play in a way that they werent designed. The best tanking year is the highest level available. The best dps gear isn't.

[Megguido]

The problem with your rational is that you are trying to play in a way that they werent designed. The best tanking year is the highest level available. The best dps gear isn't.

It depends on what you want to maximize. You can't say "it's higher ilvl so it's better" because that's only 50% true. Most high levels tanks prefer pentamelded accessories because it gives them more damage. But savage accessories are good also because it gives you more health. In both case the difference is so minimal you will barely notice it.

We don't need 2000 more HP to clear 99% of the content (can't speak about Ultimate basically), we also don't need 1% more damage to clear current content. In the end it's up to personal preferences and bandwagon'ing. Ideally, savage accs should be better than pentamelded in both damage and HP.

[Nezerius]

The problem with your rational is that you are trying to play in a way that they werent designed. The best tanking year is the highest level available. The best dps gear isn't.

It's pretty clear that savage isn't tuned with savage accessories in mind. The general consensus is that if you can comfortably survive a tank buster + the following auto attack, that it's much more helpful to focus on a dps increase.

No one with pentamelded fending accessories is gonna see savage accessories and go "I'm gonna equip that to increase my hp, at the loss of dps".

[Cirgellon]

It's pretty clear that savage isn't tuned with savage accessories in mind. The general consensus is that if you can comfortably survive a tank buster + the following auto attack, that it's much more helpful to focus on a dps increase.

No one with pentamelded fending accessories is gonna see savage accessories and go "I'm gonna equip that to increase my hp, at the loss of dps".

That doesn't change what was said. You aren't a dps class. It's pretty obviohs why they don't give you dps gear, which is why you are making other customizable tank gear into dps gear.

The argumemt seems to be that we should just get rid of the whole trinity of roles thing and stop having tanks.

[Nezerius]

That doesn't change what was said. You aren't a dps class. It's pretty obviohs why they don't give you dps gear, which is why you are making other customizable tank gear into dps gear.

The argumemt seems to be that we should just get rid of the whole trinity of roles thing and stop having tanks.

Let me just link you two of the items in question, since I'm not sure you fully understand the topic at hand.
Diamond Necklace of Fending
Black Willow Necklace of Fending
They're both tanking accessories, but the i350 crafted version is valued higher than the i370 version.

Tanks aren't asking for actual dps/slaying accessories, they're asking for the higher ilvl Fending accessories to actually be upgrades.

[ArianeEwah]

That doesn't change what was said. You aren't a dps class. It's pretty obviohs why they don't give you dps gear, which is why you are making other customizable tank gear into dps gear.

The argumemt seems to be that we should just get rid of the whole trinity of roles thing and stop having tanks.

That is a pretty narrowed view.

Tanks shouldn't get stronger with higher gear is like saying healers shouldn't get stronger either, yet they do!

Their damage power (INT) is now the same as their healing power (MND).
DPS is meta and the game is designed that way. Doesn't matter whether this was intended by the devs or not.

Especially in 3.x, tanks had to equip STR gear to meet DPS checks. If you didn't, you were more of a burden than a gain to the raid.

But what did VIT give you? More HP you don't need, it might be worthless in the end.
A tankbuster + AA might have killed you before, did the higher gear prevent this? Probably not.
Did it save a heal or let you take more AA? Most likely not.
How about faster kill? Absolutely NOT!

Tanks don't feel any bit stronger with higher accessories. Remove them from savage drops, and you wouldn't even notice a difference. They are worthless pieces of gear!
This should not be the case for the highest gear available!

[whiskeybravo]

The argumemt seems to be that we should just get rid of the whole trinity of roles thing and stop having tanks.

No, the argument is fix accessories so that getting a 370 raid drop feels like an actual upgrade from the 350 crafted you bought at the beginning..

The problem with your rational is that you are trying to play in a way that they werent designed. The best tanking year is the highest level available. The best dps gear isn't.

The problem with your logic here is inserting the concept of "tanking" itself. You're drawing an arbitrary line in the sand of what a tank is or isn't, even though the conversation is only about gear, specifically the accessories. A more appropriate way to make that point is the highest level tanking gear gives you the most HP, but not necessarily the most DPS.

From there we say the extra HP isn't necessary to kill the fights, so are we actually getting an upgrade from the raids? Not really. However, every other job gets to benefit from raid drops* because for every other job the highest DPS comes from the highest level gear. All we are asking for is some parity on tank gear.

* - (obviously raid drops aren't always BiS so this extends to item upgrades and tome accessories as well)


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The only real concession I'd make on the whole situation is at least tanks can be halfway to BiS in week 1, this benefits the group from both having sturdier tanks up front for prog but also frees up item upgrades to get the rest of the group geared up faster.

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[Kabooa]

From there we say the extra HP isn't necessary to kill the fights, so are we actually getting an upgrade from the raids? Not really. However, every other job gets to benefit from raid drops* because for every other job the highest DPS comes from the highest level gear. All we are asking for is some parity on tank gear.
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You also don't need the DPS crafted accessories provide to kill the fights. In fact, if you have i350 right now, you won't even need the new i380 accessories assuming they keep up the same pattern. Save your money. Or don't. I win either way.

[jameseoakes]

Let me just link you two of the items in question, since I'm not sure you fully understand the topic at hand.
Diamond Necklace of Fending
Black Willow Necklace of Fending
They're both tanking accessories, but the i350 crafted version is valued higher than the i370 version.

Tanks aren't asking for actual dps/slaying accessories, they're asking for the higher ilvl Fending accessories to actually be upgrades.

They are, just people don't want what the upgrade gives. The difference is pretty tiny so I don't think SE sees much of an issue.

[Nezerius]

They are, just people don't want what the upgrade gives. The difference is pretty tiny so I don't think SE sees much of an issue.

You must not have any experience with maining a tank job at savage difficulty, this expansion. The pentamelded i350 accessories are, point for point, better than the i370 raid/augmented tomestone ones. The exact same happened with the previous tier of i320 crafted and i340 deltascape/creation accessories. Heck, tanks even used the i270 slaying accessories for a while because they provided more dps than the SB accessories.

Just because the accessories give a tank more health, doesn't actually make them better, since the content isn't tuned with the expectation of a tank wearing full i370 gear. It's like stacking accuracy (pre-SB) after already hitting the cap, just not worth it over getting higher dps.

I don't get why people are so against tanks getting a proper upgrade path for almost half of their gear, when this issue doesn't exist for the other roles.