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    Risvertasashi's Avatar
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayfinder3 View Post
    "All Jobs can clear content" i've yet to hear anyone who has discredit this claim so the amount of people who sling this phrase around must be doing so to confirm it to themselves. this claim doesn't account for the risk you take when bringing other jobs
    There's more to it than that. A lot of people will also say meta doesn't matter if you aren't a top group. Well.

    I mean, suppose you (theoetical 'you') are a crappy bard. You still benefit from nin+drg melees (and further from the mch vuln up too). You don't need to be a top end speedkiller in a high end static. Even if a person is average or bad, they can still take advantage of and benefit from synergies.

    So yeah, "well your job isn't incapable of clearing content" isn't much consolation when no one wants you around anyways, or everyone tolerates you but really wishes you'd switch to that other job, and they'd get a better fflogs ranking if only you would...
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    Sora Belle
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    I mean, suppose you (theoetical 'you') are a crappy bard. You still benefit from nin+drg melees (and further from the mch vuln up too). You don't need to be a top end speedkiller in a high end static. Even if a person is average or bad, they can still take advantage of and benefit from synergies.
    I don't think you used a good example but i agree to an extent. having meta party members doesn't make you better, you still have to be good on your own to maximize those buffs with disembowel being the only exception. a BAD bard isn't going to look good in a meta comp, thats not how it works. A good bard will however look worse in a non meta comp and that is the better argument to make.

    If trick attack is used and you're spamming heavy shot, then that trick attack is only going to be as good as the what you put in to it so player skill is far more important to utility than you're accounting for and this is the same for all utility besides the resistances i.e disembowel.
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    HyoMinPark's Avatar
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayfinder3 View Post
    I don't think you used a good example but i agree to an extent. having meta party members doesn't make you better, you still have to be good on your own to maximize those buffs with disembowel being the only exception. . .
    A better example would probably be that a bad or even substandard BRD will still benefit the raid if they at least Foe's and BV in the opener, Refresh when needed, and have songs active for the Crit buff, where as a mediocre SAM or BLM is just a hinderance. While this is anecdote, I've noticed that there tends to be very little middle ground with the selfish DPS - you're either god-tier or you're far below adequate.

    If trick attack is used and you're spamming heavy shot, then that trick attack is only going to be as good as the what you put in to it so player skill is far more important to utility than you're accounting for and this is the same for all utility besides the resistances i.e disembowel.
    As an aside, BRD optimization centers entirely around managing DoTs and DoT snapshots to make the most out of your Repertoire mechanic. Ironically, double snapshots are not a thing for TA; BRDs mostly just go about their standard rotation as the duration is too short to make much use of it, and only snapshot TA if it's paired with, say Litany or Chain - which at that point, they're snapshotting for the latter two more so than TA.
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