It would be nice not to be hated

[Wayfinder3]

"All Jobs can clear content" i've yet to hear anyone who has discredit this claim so the amount of people who sling this phrase around must be doing so to confirm it to themselves. this claim doesn't account for the risk you take when bringing other jobs, BLM lack of utility isn't whats going to hurt you in prog, but it's turret play style will when compared to the more mobile options, SAM's dps isn't so high that MNK and mantra are seen as inferior for progression or the enmity manipulation of NIN and DRG's Disembowel speaks for themself in prog and farm.

I don't think there are many SAM's that cleared ultimate without having done so prior on another job, Also i don't think the lack of utility is so much a problem for SAM and BLM as it is a fixiation of the community on having the best or otherwise better alternatives, RDM sees a lot of hate and it has utility(Embolden is actually pretty solid) because it's personal dps isn't as high and many groups would have a BRD before a MCH if they're not taking both. Groups want the meta even when they don't need it, this game also has some interesting balancing issues since alot of the easier to play jobs tend to be the better to play. MCH and BRD are probably equal in depth but, DRG is much easier than the other 3, and Nin is only slightly harder. SAM has a lot of opportunities to be sub par while MNK is the most difficult to play well of all 4 do to the fact it's rotation is the most susceptible to fight variance. SAM's have more issues besides not having utility

Being unable to contribute meaningful utility means
Death, Downtime persistent phases, High skill ceiling, lack of utility, no defensive options = a job that just doesn't have anything worth looking at thus making it too risky for no tangible reward and i find that to be SAM's true problem. at least BLM has addle/shift which is unique in single caster comps

[Risvertasashi]

"All Jobs can clear content" i've yet to hear anyone who has discredit this claim so the amount of people who sling this phrase around must be doing so to confirm it to themselves. this claim doesn't account for the risk you take when bringing other jobs

There's more to it than that. A lot of people will also say meta doesn't matter if you aren't a top group. Well.

I mean, suppose you (theoetical 'you') are a crappy bard. You still benefit from nin+drg melees (and further from the mch vuln up too). You don't need to be a top end speedkiller in a high end static. Even if a person is average or bad, they can still take advantage of and benefit from synergies.

So yeah, "well your job isn't incapable of clearing content" isn't much consolation when no one wants you around anyways, or everyone tolerates you but really wishes you'd switch to that other job, and they'd get a better fflogs ranking if only you would...

[Wayfinder3]

I mean, suppose you (theoetical 'you') are a crappy bard. You still benefit from nin+drg melees (and further from the mch vuln up too). You don't need to be a top end speedkiller in a high end static. Even if a person is average or bad, they can still take advantage of and benefit from synergies.

I don't think you used a good example but i agree to an extent. having meta party members doesn't make you better, you still have to be good on your own to maximize those buffs with disembowel being the only exception. a BAD bard isn't going to look good in a meta comp, thats not how it works. A good bard will however look worse in a non meta comp and that is the better argument to make.

If trick attack is used and you're spamming heavy shot, then that trick attack is only going to be as good as the what you put in to it so player skill is far more important to utility than you're accounting for and this is the same for all utility besides the resistances i.e disembowel.

[HyoMinPark]

I don't think you used a good example but i agree to an extent. having meta party members doesn't make you better, you still have to be good on your own to maximize those buffs with disembowel being the only exception. . .

A better example would probably be that a bad or even substandard BRD will still benefit the raid if they at least Foe's and BV in the opener, Refresh when needed, and have songs active for the Crit buff, where as a mediocre SAM or BLM is just a hinderance. While this is anecdote, I've noticed that there tends to be very little middle ground with the selfish DPS - you're either god-tier or you're far below adequate.

If trick attack is used and you're spamming heavy shot, then that trick attack is only going to be as good as the what you put in to it so player skill is far more important to utility than you're accounting for and this is the same for all utility besides the resistances i.e disembowel.

As an aside, BRD optimization centers entirely around managing DoTs and DoT snapshots to make the most out of your Repertoire mechanic. Ironically, double snapshots are not a thing for TA; BRDs mostly just go about their standard rotation as the duration is too short to make much use of it, and only snapshot TA if it's paired with, say Litany or Chain - which at that point, they're snapshotting for the latter two more so than TA.

[HyoMinPark]

RDM sees a lot of hate and it has utility(Embolden is actually pretty solid)

Embolden is actually really weak in terms of the overall gain it can give a raid if you compare it to other major rBuffs - I'm not talking about TA since it's difficult to beat that in overall rDPS contribution, but things like Litany, Battle Voice, Brotherhood, Hypercharge, Chain Strategem, Balance, Spear, BRD's Crit buff, or even Foe's. It's also incredibly annoying to optimize around, as it is 2 minutes as opposed to 3 (so it won't align with the major trinity of TA+BV+Litany unless you hold it), its decaying attribute (Embolden-3 is not that great, and Embolden-2 and Embolden-1 are negligible), and the fact that using it selfishly hurts the raid, while lining it up with TA in openers and other points where full raid burst is ready oftentimes hurts the RDM using it. It also doesn't offer any synergy with other casters, as its magical damage only.

Personally, I think in a game where utility and raid buffs are so important, selfish jobs that offer no utility like SAM and BLM won't ever be "in favor" for groups that are interested in optimization.

[xxPheNoMeNa]

Embolden is actually really weak in terms of the overall gain it can give a raid if you compare it to other major rBuffs - I'm not talking about TA since it's difficult to beat that in overall rDPS contribution, but things like Litany, Battle Voice, Brotherhood, Hypercharge, Chain Strategem, Balance, Spear, BRD's Crit buff, or even Foe's.

It's actually on par with most of those raid buffs, assuming you're aligning embolden around typical raid buff windows and you're not running some kind of meme comp (like triple caster). Most of those buffs provide between 400-500 rDPS (AST cards excluded due to the RNG), which is where Embolden tends to be unless used greedily.

Also it being a 2 minute cooldown isn't THAT big of a deal. Sure having 2 minute cooldowns aligned with BV/Litany is nice when your kill time allows you to hold for it, but if not your 2 minute windows can basically be TA + Chain + Foes (as well as Dragon's Eye for the DRG + whichever dps they target).