Gender Bias in Character Creation

[Jandor]

We don't need a slider. We just need a visible bulge to reflect our anatomy. The option for body hair would be great, too.

As for the people claiming that a bulge isn't the equivalent for breasts, those same individuals would very likely be crying foul if they didn't have their precious breast sliders in various games. I wonder how many of these outspoken individuals set the size to the lowest possible option?

They're clearly not equivalent though, otherwise breast sliders would be as rare as bulge sliders.

[uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweugwemu]

Okay first of all, the same value is applied to everyone. The value just have different meaning for each race. It's not a gender thing, they are the race special attribute.
Tails = miqo te / au ra
Muscles = hyur / roegadyn
Ears = lalafell / eleZen

If they're adding a muscle value for every race, that means hyur / roegadyn lose their special attribute. Might try recommend a replacement of what makes each race unique.

[Theodric]

They're clearly not equivalent though, otherwise breast sliders would be as rare as bulge sliders.

They are, though. Unless you want to pretend as if things like breast sliders aren't added with sex appeal in mind. The degree at which they are sexual may differ slightly but not to a huge extent.

[LadyKairi]

They are, though. Unless you want to pretend as if things like breast sliders aren't added with sex appeal in mind. The degree at which they are sexual may differ slightly but not to a huge extent.

That’s what muscle sliders are for. THAT is the equivalent for breasts, not a man’s bulge. Breasts are not genitalia, a mans business is. They are NOT THE SAME THING. Breasts are an attractive part of the female body, and the muscles of a man are the attractive part of their body. If you think they are the same thing, you need a lesson in anatomy.

[Theodric]

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They're very similar in terms of serving as an attractive trait to those so inclined. To pretend otherwise is quite simply a matter of dishonesty.

The difference is that video-games have frequently been created with the 'Straight Male Gaze' in mind and as such it is considered to be perfectly acceptable for female characters to have breast sliders and very skimpy gear options. Male characters, however, very rarely have even the hint of a bulge and body hair is often just as rare.

As far as a muscle slider is concerned, that isn't even an option for every male/race combination. Yet, mysteriously, the breast slider is an option for every female/race combo.

[Saraphin]

as a female playing a male character...I would like a butt slider, and possibly a groin/pec/abs slider. This is not to say I don't have female Alts, I do, but they're tiny and small busted because I think a female looks better that way to me.

As someone that has been listening to the Live Letters, it looks like that's a bit far off, if ever. Would I max those sliders out? no, probably not.

Do I think that male characters should get more options? Yes. There are plenty of options that I think could work, that would be pleasing to many people that make male characters that are male and that are female as well.

[Tsumdere]

There is something supremely disturbing about people thinking that breasts and a male's groin are in any way equatable.

Would make more sense to ask for a pectoral slider, or a muscle slider for all men since females get the extra breast slider.

[Linx0r]

It’s odd how all characters have mostly ‘fit’ body types. They should have a ‘pudge’ or ‘plump’ slider....let’s see some players with bellies and muffin tops. For real, it would make character design more diverse.

[CatStarPrime]

Could be worse. We could have a creator like BDO, that allows glisteny, slick, torpedo boobs <ack>.

I wish the muscle slider for Hyur females - even Highlanders - actually did something. I consider the max-muscle set point on female Hyur, barely even a good start on what a fit athletic woman looks like.

[Reinha]

Okay first of all, the same value is applied to everyone. The value just have different meaning for each race. It's not a gender thing, they are the race special attribute.
Tails = miqo te / au ra
Muscles = hyur / roegadyn
Ears = lalafell / eleZen

If they're adding a muscle value for every race, that means hyur / roegadyn lose their special attribute. Might try recommend a replacement of what makes each race unique.

I agree with you. They can't just unlock 2 races' special feature for everyone without giving something new in return. I suggest that Hyur and Roegadyn males get a body hair slider if other males get a muscle slider.