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    Question about WAR migitation

    Hello experienced WAR players!

    I've a question about defensive CD for WAR for current tier SB raids/trials.

    Are there any content right now that WAR doesn't have enough CDs for at the moment? I'm referring to eating a TB raw because Rampart/Indom is on CD due to short timings between TBs.

    An example might be o6n, does Rampart/Vengeance cycle quick enough for each shear? Or do you need to take a raw hit on the third/forth CD?
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    Shao Kuraisenshi
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    WAR have the most flexible and strong defensive kit, its imposible run out of CD except you use It all at the same time.
    you have to use holmgang to eat some TB, is a 180 recast invulnerability, thats a sentinel, if you cycle It regulary with rampat and vengeance you never run out of CD, WAR defensive kit is extreme good for holmgang being to short, comunícate with You healers and pair holmgang with convalescence for safety.
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    Hmm, I thought about Holmgang but that is only useful on TB that will 1 shot you right? or if you are already hurt?

    What about stacking CDs? Like PLD has Sheltron and DRK has TBN and you can stack them with your CDs. Is it really frowned upon to switch stance and IB?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepyNeko View Post

    What about stacking CDs? Like PLD has Sheltron and DRK has TBN and you can stack them with your CDs. Is it really frowned upon to switch stance and IB?
    It\\'s not frowned upon more so you dont need Inner Beast. IB is good because it\\'s a present on demand mitigation in case of emergency, but it isnt something you should feel obligated to do every TB, since Fell Cleave is a better use of beast.

    You can use rampart or Raw for fluff damage( raw if damage is physical) or stack rampart+ raw or Vengeance and raw(or rampart), or just use vengeance on it\\'s own( again, assuming damage is physical Thrill can be used along with vengeance if you want more defense and dont plan to buff upheaval.

    And holm is always useful in most tankbusters, since most in Savage will most likely one shot you otherwise with no mitigation. But what makes Holm useful is that you can just take the buster alone with nothing else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepyNeko View Post
    Is it really frowned upon to switch stance and IB?
    The opportunity cost for Inner Beast is pretty high, but it's not the end of the world if you have to do it once or twice. The issue is that if you are put into a situation where you are pressured to do that, then that's likely indicative of a greater problem. More to the point, there's not a situation within Savage (so far) that calls for Inner Beast, so long as you're tank swapping as necessary.

    That said, consider that Defiance + Equilibrium can be used in a pinch as well, with much less potency lost (particularly when paired with Unchained); you don't have to use Inner Beast. If you do this, however, make sure not to overcap on Beast gauge. If you have to, then dump it into a Fell Cleave before switching, or use Onslaught. It's also worth mentioning that you can actually gain potency with Defiance + Unchained if you properly line it up with Upheaval. I wouldn't really advise doing this to increase your DPS, but consider that it can allow you to benefit from Defiance with nigh impunity.
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    Last edited by Argyle_Darkheart; 07-02-2018 at 01:43 PM.

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    Pretty much. Although I do remember that War's Vengeance alone wasn't enough to take Critical Hit while DRK could take it with Shadow Wall and TBN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekimmak View Post
    Pretty much. Although I do remember that War's Vengeance alone wasn't enough to take Critical Hit while DRK could take it with Shadow Wall and TBN.
    While that may have been true, it wasn't really relevant; WAR could just alternate between Vengeance + Awareness and Holmgang to deal with Critical Hit.
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    Thank you all for the replies, I guess I just need to be brave and use holmgang more often. Is there much use of Raw Intuition at the moment other than for SiO due to most TB being magical?
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    You can use Raw Intuition to mitigate auto-attacks, or physical tankbusters. Otherwise, it's SiO food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepyNeko View Post
    s there much use of Raw Intuition at the moment other than for SiO due to most TB being magical?
    There are still some physical busters. When it comes to Savage, O5S has Head On, O7S has Arm and Hammer, and O8S has Ultimate Embrace; O7S and O8S also have physical auto-attacks.
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