Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS

[Avatre]

You could buy like 6.5 years of game time for $1200, or you could pay someone to play the game for you.

Or you could use that money towards going on a vacation somewhere nice.

[Paladinleeds]

Anyone caught selling in-game services for real life money should have their account permanently deleted. That some players are bold enough to openly advertise their services through the party finder means that there's no real fear on their part. That needs to change.

Hmm, I wonder if we could find out where the people that sell live, and then report them to their country's authorities. Then, instead of them getting their accounts permanently deleted, they get thrown in prison for tax evasion

[Bourne_Endeavor]

The raiders never had to sell or advertising selling runs, and there's only a tiny amount of them capable of doing ultimate content. They could have easily just done what they used to do with clear videos on world first races, have a mutually agreed moratorium on selling ultimate runs. they didn't. So to me, they get more of the blame for enabling people. The buyers are already in error, but the sellers chose to continue in it.

That's a silly argument. Sellers have no market if people weren't willing to pay money for shinies. They simply provide a service. Does that make it right? It's debatable. Regardless, this is a non-issue if SE bothered to enforce their own polices. Neither party deserves blame over the one which allows the activity to continue. After all, if Square Enix doesn't care about the ToS, why are the players, regardless of skill range, going to respect it?

[Linx0r]

I honestly could care less about this. The game draws many different demographics of people and the rich are one of them. If they want to spend their $1200 on an item in a game rather than $1200 on a hooker and blow which would may or maY not lead to abuse then why not ? (Hookers are people too) I kid of course but in all seriousness this shouldn’t bother anyone. Think for a moment...if you were an avid ff14 player who works hard for disposable income, would you do it? If money were no object? Time to me is important and if I had the funds to buy a clear like that I totally would just cuz I want shiney weapon. But then reality sets in ....opens wallet....smoke comes out

[Theodric]

Think for a moment...if you were an avid ff14 player who works hard for disposable income, would you do it? If money were no object?

Money is no object to me. I bought the Odin and Shiva statues on a whim for the sake of the emotes. I've bought many other bonus merchandise related to FFXIV and last year I went to Distant Worlds in London as an early Christmas present to myself and my companion. I don't mean to come off as bragging, but I detest the idea that people with money are morally bankrupt. They're not always that way.

I wouldn't resort to the sort of depravity that comes with buying clears for real money. Only those with a lack of strong moral compass resort to such methods - and those players should be utterly condemned.

[Rogatum]

Money is no object to me. I bought the Odin and Shiva statues on a whim for the sake of the emotes. I've bought many other bonus merchandise related to FFXIV and last year I went to Distant Worlds in London as an early Christmas present to myself and my companion. I don't mean to come off as bragging, but I detest the idea that people with money are morally bankrupt. They're not always that way.

I wouldn't resort to the sort of depravity that comes with buying clears for real money. Only those with a lack of strong moral compass resort to such methods - and those players should be utterly condemned.

Are you saying the action is immoral because it goes against the standards set by SE and the community? What is their is a divided between SE and the community? Or did I misunderstand, and you personally feel that the action is immoral, if that is the case I am sorry for misunderstanding.

[Theodric]

Are you saying the action is immoral because it goes against the standards set by SE and the community? What is their is a divided between SE and the community? Or did I misunderstand, and you personally feel that the action is immoral, if that is the case I am sorry for misunderstanding.

On a personal level, I find such behaviour immoral.

On Square Enix's part, exchanging real money for in-game services is against the rules. It could and should be enforced better.

On a legal level, there's a lot of potential complications but online transactions are not as well protected against fraud and tax evasion in cases such as this. It'd be quite the headache for Square Enix if someone was scammed and it received media attention.

[Rogatum]

On a personal level, I find such behaviour immoral.

On Square Enix's part, exchanging real money for in-game services is against the rules. It could and should be enforced better.

On a legal level, there's a lot of potential complications but online transactions are not as well protected against fraud and tax evasion in cases such as this. It'd be quite the headache for Square Enix if someone was scammed and it received media attention.

Makes sense, I cannot comment on the personal level, since that varies from person-to-person and I have no understanding on the legal ramifications or how income will be taxed via such transactions. One aspect I will comment on is the part regarding the rules set by SE. Would it be ethical on the part of SE to pick and choose which aspects of the ToS they choose to enforce when it comes to using outside information? Where will they draw the line, does that mean they should go after streams that use ACT? At the core both are violations of the ToS, and to pick and choose which aspects of the ToS they will enforce when it comes to usage of outside information does seem tad unethical in my eyes. A part of me really thinks many people do not understand how many players would be punished for trivial infractions if SE started to enforce their own ToS better.

[Linx0r]

To me, this is no different from players picking up jump potions on mogstation. Both you pay some sort of currency to advance in the game. So, how is it different? If players are given an option to pay for ‘assistance’ they will take it. Why does it matter if it’s $20 on mogstation or $20 in game? To me it’s the same and I’m only spouting my 2cents. This isn’t going to make me lose sleep at night. If people have the money to pay $1200 for a glowy virtual thing, let them. How others spend their cash doesn’t bother me. Now, if you were spending my money or effecting the economy in the game that’s different

[Jijifli]

To me, this is no different from players picking up jump potions on mogstation. Both you pay some sort of currency to advance in the game. So, how is it different? If players are given an option to pay for ‘assistance’ they will take it. Why does it matter if it’s $20 on mogstation or $20 in game? To me it’s the same and I’m only spouting my 2cents. This isn’t going to make me lose sleep at night. If people have the money to pay $1200 for a glowy virtual thing, let them. How others spend their cash doesn’t bother me. Now, if you were spending my money or effecting the economy in the game that’s different

Because the boosts are on the mog station, don't require you to give your account to someone, and the money goes to the company running the game instead of the guy in his basement.

Also, if I had the income to buy an entire ward, why not let me? Oh wait... Isn't this why the housing issue existed?