Confused about people's obsession with open world raids/dungeons.

[Corrderio]

And this is right, both is good, but you need to not add open world content that will promote botting.

Exactly. Open world content is needed, but it shouldn't be the way to obtain the best gear in the game.

As for open world content, I'm hoping for stuff like seiges, campains, etc. to help defend a city. Sorta like ToAU, but didn't suck as much as that did where you just waited for enemy forces in town.

[Tango]

This is true, but it has never happened in the 9 or 10 year history of FF11, why do you think they would suddenly start in FF14?



Maybe you misunderstood, SE has a history of NOT enforcing their rules.

Doesn't matter. People will always cheat or find a way around a system. It is absolutely no reason not to implement content. Period.

[Coglin]

Sounds more to me like the community should be spamming threads complaining about SE not enforcing antiboting rules instead of a very very select few spamming post about how we should have no open world content and make it all instanced.

[wish12oz]

Sounds more to me like the community should be spamming threads complaining about SE not enforcing antiboting rules instead of a very very select few spamming post about how we should have no open world content and make it all instanced.

Open world content is fine, but it shouldn't be something where people directly compete against each other for claim over a very small selection of mobs because they drop the best gear in the game. That will simply promote people to start making and selling bots, and after a bit, you'll have bots and get claim, or you won't. A game should not exclude people from playing content because they don't feel like using third party aps and breaking the rules set for the game.

[Lucifer]

Why is excluding people a bad thing?
You do not have to complete it if it's not your cup of tea.
Not everyone likes PvP, does that mean PvP should not be allowed?
Your thinking is flawed and just limits content.

[Tango]

Exactly. Open world content is needed, but it shouldn't be the way to obtain the best gear in the game.

I still don't see why some of the BiS gear can come from open world content. I know it was stated that HQ crafted fr with materia would all be BiS, but I think BiS gear should come from a variety of different content or there is hardly a reason to do other content.

Or maybe interlink all different content to get the best gear. Get pop item from open world NM, pop instanced mob to get material for BiS gear. Idk, just a thought.

[Coglin]

I disagree with some of that. I think SE and players should work together to get accounts banned that use bots and 3rd party apps because they are both against the rules.

Enforcing the rules should by far take a higher priority over discussing limiting players content options because existing rules are not being followed or enforced.

We should be discussing how the rules that exist should be followed and enforced, instead of how we should adjust content around the rule breakers.

Wouldn't you agree?

[Lucifer]

Exactly. Open world content is needed, but it shouldn't be the way to obtain the best gear in the game.

As for open world content, I'm hoping for stuff like seiges, campains, etc. to help defend a city. Sorta like ToAU, but didn't suck as much as that did where you just waited for enemy forces in town.

There has to be some incentive to openly compete with other people to get a reward. This is why the gear SHOULD be better. Factor in the fact the monster might respawn once a day or once a week. This is gear for those willing to invest their time.
If the gear at the end is alluring to you but you don't want to go through the process of getting it, even though you KNOW you don't need the gear to complete any content in the game, the problem lies with you.

[wish12oz]

Why is excluding people a bad thing?
You do not have to complete it if it's not your cup of tea.
Not everyone likes PvP, does that mean PvP should not be allowed?
Your thinking is flawed and just limits content.

Excluding yourself from doing things is fine, people's cheating excluding you from being able to participate from things you want to get stuff from is a bad thing. I don't understand how you are so dim witted you cannot understand this. Do you even want this game to succeed? If people can't do the limited amount of content there is, they will leave and play something else, simple as that. You seem to think this is a good thing, can you explain why?

I disagree with some of that. I think SE and players should work together to get accounts banned that use bots and 3rd party apps because they are both against the rules.

Enforcing the rules should by far take a higher priority over discussing limiting players content options because existing rules are not being followed or enforced.

We should be discussing how the rules that exist should be followed and enforced, instead of how we should adjust content around the rule breakers.

Wouldn't you agree?

People tried that in FF11, it didn't work. Good bots are not detectable.

[Tango]

Excluding yourself from doing things is fine, people's cheating excluding you from being able to participate from things you want to get stuff from is a bad thing. I don't understand how you are so dim witted you cannot understand this. Do you even want this game to succeed? If people can't do the limited amount of content there is, they will leave and play something else, simple as that. You seem to think this is a good thing, can you explain why?



People tried that in FF11, it didn't work. Good bots are not detectable.

Seems you are still to dim witted to see that bots and things people do against the ToS are not good enough reasons to cancel the development of content. With this logic we should get rid of all crafting and fishing as well.