Confused about people's obsession with open world raids/dungeons.

[TheFatHousecat]

Thats my point...you have an LS...wtf you need open world for to "run" into people as everyone is arguing for. "oh please guys leave open world so i can skip through the fields and run into another fairy to help me kill a squirrel!" That's what they want, and you running scheduled runs with an LS doesn't give that, so why do you care if the content is instanced or not?

I never said I would 'skip through fields and run into fairies,' I have absolutely no idea where you're getting that from. I assume you're referring to what a lot of people said about being able to see people in broad daylight killing/being killed by NMs outside, in areas you can run right through while on your way to do a leve or something. It makes the world much more colorful and interesting to see battles happening in real time like that.

And as to what I quoted from you in that post, you STILL have to get a group together in the same manner to do instanced content. I don't see the difference between an instanced PUG and a open-world PUG except that it would probably be loads easier to get a group together for open-world content because you don't have a required member amount. Also, I'm fairly certain that the vast majority of people who play this game are members of an LS. And even if their LS is more social-oriented and doesn't do scheduled content, that still makes the creation of SB/EXP/NM groups easier because you have personal access to a group of people on a daily basis. SOME of them have to be willing to lend a hand, right?

Explain to me how you can't explore an instance? It'sa "new area" just like any you visit. That involves exploration. Don't be dense.

Today one of my LS-mates experienced glitch inside of the Bowl of Embers in which he could explore the entire area. You know what he found? Two or three caves that had invisible walls inside, and he couldn't look down the cliff because there was an invisible wall there, too. OMG SO MUCH STUFF TO EXPLORE HOLY SH*T.

[indira]

Originally Posted by Darkrose
Even now FFXIV have to put in Dungeon Instances. What does that tell you? Instances are more like by the community then Open World.

just saying that your giving false info, you dont have any poll.

Well, that all I have to say. I hope whoever want the best gears drop in Open World only or want only Open World Raid will not come back here crying saying it unfair and they got own by other Guilds, Bot camping their area, and farmer take over the spot.

most of the time the bots make life easier for you to claim after they die,RMT and all.
thats because there slow or not quick enough, they always blame connection and bots. like the people who cry about getting shot in a FPS game. the point is theres always going to be people who want you to give them everything for nothing, like crying about the monthly fee.

But Wow is a good example of how Instances are a huge success in MMORPG!

most the accounts in WOW are RMT anyawys.
sitting in queue in town is fun all day huh? no one in the big world doing anything fun huh? even FFXI had instances but you had limits on when you can do them either seals, or time limits. this game is a free for all.

Originally Posted by WiiSam View Post
Thats my point...you have an LS...wtf you need open world for to "run" into people as everyone is arguing for. "oh please guys leave open world so i can skip through the fields and run into another fairy to help me kill a squirrel!" That's what they want, and you running scheduled runs with an LS doesn't give that, so why do you care if the content is instanced or not?

no one talks in a instance they bitch and moan or act like gods of the game you have a time limit and rush threw chances are if your not a MRD,CON,LNC chances are low your going to even do a instance, it not fun being a class you dont like, 2.0 get the dungeon finder and everyone will have fun losing alot of them since the finder to toss you into one.

[Coglin]

Thats my point...you have an LS...wtf you need open world for to "run" into people as everyone is arguing for. "oh please guys leave open world so i can skip through the fields and run into another fairy to help me kill a squirrel!" That's what they want, and you running scheduled runs with an LS doesn't give that, so why do you care if the content is instanced or not?

We do not have to explain to you why we care. Your a nobody. I will pay my money to SE, not you. Yet you think your so big you can sit here and tell us we do not need open world.

Your OP bashed open world and you clamed it is unneeded and unwanted, then you went on after the entire forums population stacked against your short sighted, narrow minded, simplton ideas, to claim you have changed you view slithly and were not totally against open world content.

If you think you can sit here and claim you know what we want, it is clear you sir are a lier of the highest caliber.

[Darkrose]

just saying that your giving false info, you dont have any poll.

Final Fantasy XI never have any Dungeon Instances. There are Instances, but they are mostly mission and from quest. FFXIV come out and there were no Instances. People want content, they add in Instances. You can't deny they took some aspect from wow and finally putting Dungeon Instances in their game. I don't need poll, it easy to see and it a fact.

most of the time the bots make life easier for you to claim after they die,RMT and all.
thats because there slow or not quick enough, they always blame connection and bots. like the people who cry about getting shot in a FPS game. the point is theres always going to be people who want you to give them everything for nothing, like crying about the monthly fee.

Wrong. FFXI have the biggest problem with Claiming Bot and Farmer Claim for the NM all the time. It is constantly being farm by the RMT. They have Claim bot so you are never quick enough. I have play FFXI for 4 years I know how hard it is to get an NM Claim.

most the accounts in WOW are RMT anyawys.
sitting in queue in town is fun all day huh? no one in the big world doing anything fun huh? even FFXI had instances but you had limits on when you can do them either seals, or time limits. this game is a free for all.

I'm talking way back in Wow Vanilla and BC Expansion. Those 12 mils all RMT? Even with 10 mil now, there plenty of player base not RMT. RMT is big problem in Wow because it is so popular. And nothing wrong with que up instances, every time it a different experiment with different people. And you gain level while doing Instances so you can do new one.

I find the biggest problem with FFXI Instances are it poor design. It lack the challenge, the time and effort put in it. They just splat a swirly copy and paste map on there and put time limit in so people rush through it. Don't even know why they even put elite mob in there when people rush through it and make them disappeared. I find it was very rush and bad design. This is why people do not like the Instances in FFXIV. If Instances are done right in FFXIV it will be a huge success! Hope they don't continue it like this in 2.0.

As for que up for instances all the time, there always quest you can do. So you can go back and fourth between this.


But anyway I'm done with this thread since it just so pointless every people who don't like Instances will just find some excuse for it. I think the best way is to have both. But do not make Open World have the best drop in the game. It will become a big problem due to some problem I already stated above. Best drop should be instances only and the drop are rare and nu-tradeable.

[WiiSam]

We do not have to explain to you why we care. Your a nobody. I will pay my money to SE, not you. Yet you think your so big you can sit here and tell us we do not need open world.

Your OP bashed open world and you clamed it is unneeded and unwanted, then you went on after the entire forums population stacked against your short sighted, narrow minded, simplton ideas, to claim you have changed you view slithly and were not totally against open world content.

If you think you can sit here and claim you know what we want, it is clear you sir are a lier of the highest caliber.

Take it down a notch brother. Nobody has given good reasons. The same way FatHousesomething said earlier that she is tired of repeating the same things over and over, that is how I feel. I am repeating my points over and over because you guys aren't getting it. For example, above, fathouse gave an example about bowl of embers and how it was boring to explore. THAT DOES NOT PROVE THAT YOU CAN'T EXPLORE AN INSTANCE. It is just one stupid room man. It isn't a a fully designed dungeon. Every instanced dungeon in WoW was amazing for exploration.

See what I mean? I keep having to rebutt you guys because you keep bringing nonsense up. Bowl of Embers is not an exampe of why instances suck. Bowl of Embers just sucks because the game designers decided they just wanted to give us a boss and not an entire dungeon. Just like a roaming NM, what is there to explore? You are just visiting ONE SMALL AREA WHERE THE NM SPAWNS, to kill it. And PLEASE don't tell me "but we get to see shit running on our chocobo on our way to the roaming NM!" You get to see the same shit on your way to the entrance of an instance.

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[Lucifer]

Not if you're warping to the instance from the hub city.

[WiiSam]

Not if you're warping to the instance from the hub city.

Why we are assuming we are going to wrap to it? Mr. Slippery Slope? You know how many times I've had to tell people just because we want instances DOES NOT MEAN WE WANT TO TELEPORT TO IT. Either you haven't read the whole thread or you're just being a troll.

Maybe a dev should close this thread, it started out civilized and now everyone is just being rude and frustrating (including myself, i admit).

[Coglin]

I keep having to rebutt you guys because you keep bringing nonsense up.
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So says the liar who changes his stance from post to post. You claim your blathering nonsense as "rebuttle". You Keep spouting garbage about how open world is bad and instance is good, then when the posters reply with a logic of there perspective, you call it a lack of logic and tell them how they are wrong.

you are entitled to your opinion and I welcomed that right up to the point in which you insult everone elses opinion and splash every one of your post with childish profanity.

[WiiSam]

So says the liar who changes his stance from post to post. You claim your blathering nonsense as "rebuttle". You Keep spouting garbage about how open world is bad and instance is good, then when the posters reply with a logic of there perspective, you call it a lack of logic and tell them how they are wrong.

you are entitled to your opinion and I welcomed that right up to the point in which you insult everone elses opinion and splash every one of your post with childish profanity.

ok this is last question and i'm done: you really think and agree that the bowl of embers is an example of why instances suck and that they can't have decent exploration? Just say yes or no. Either way im done.

[Tango]

All I see on the last 6 pages of this thread is that most people want both instanced and open world content; dungeons, NM, etc for both. Except wiisam, he just wants to sit in an instance all day with 7 other people. Woo MMO!