Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Bellsong]

Tried fighting a boss in DPS stance after an initial enmity combo in Tank Stance like people keep telling me good tanks do. Ended up having aggro ripped of me and wound up with dead DPS. And that was with multiple uses of the Enmity combo when i noticed i was getting crept up on.

Not really selling me on the idea that doing 4-man content in DPS stance is a good idea here...

From my experience this heavily depends on the level of the content, your gear, your rotations and if your DPS are using their enmity management skills or not. At 70 with decent DPS players i'll need at least 2 or 3 opening enmity combos (Assuming none of them are managing their own enmity) before I'm at a comfy level of enmity and go into sword. even then DPS might creep up on me but that can be fixed with a swap to shield and a few more enmity combos.

[Lilseph]

Tried fighting a boss in DPS stance after an initial enmity combo in Tank Stance like people keep telling me good tanks do. Ended up having aggro ripped of me and wound up with dead DPS. And that was with multiple uses of the Enmity combo when i noticed i was getting crept up on.

Not really selling me on the idea that doing 4-man content in DPS stance is a good idea here...

What was your job? What were the DPS jobs? What boss did you fight? What's your ilvl? As pointed out it will also depends if:

1) Your ilvl vs the rest of the party's ilvl.
2) Their aggro management (diversion, shadewalker, smoke screen, tactician, refresh)
3) The amount of damage you dealt to keep it up.

[MoroMurasaki]

Tried fighting a boss in DPS stance after an initial enmity combo in Tank Stance like people keep telling me good tanks do. Ended up having aggro ripped of me and wound up with dead DPS. And that was with multiple uses of the Enmity combo when i noticed i was getting crept up on.

Not really selling me on the idea that doing 4-man content in DPS stance is a good idea here...

Maybe the dps didn't pop enmity CDs, but even in that situation as a WAR I'm usually fine through the end of IR if I open with (Unchained) Tomohawk (Equilibrium) SE Combo with a swap to Deliverance, IR with Thrill, Onslaught and Upheaval woven in. I don't know what the PLD equivalent would be, I'm still leveling PLD, but if a dps eats a buster after you've done an enmity combo in Shield Oath either you've got a monstrous gear disparity or that DPS has messed up.

I'd keep a specific eye on BRDs in dungeons too. As a BRD I know the pain of using Refresh and Tactician for resource regen during big pulls then getting to a boss and getting a really lucky opener only to rip hate and have nothing left to dump it with. #Diversion4Ranged2k18

[Bellsong]

You really didn't do anything wrong, blm should have used their enmity cooldowns, only thing I would suggest is going holy spam first after going swordoath and using at least 2 or 3 enmity combos to start, sure it'll throw off the start of your damage combos but if your team won't manage their enmity you have little other choice if you'd like to push your damage.

[RobinMalvin]

Went into Antitower because a sprout in NN needed it for MSQ. During Calcabrina boss both DPS (the sprout and a random BRD) kept trying to hit rear and flank side and kept getting parried when they cast Brace buff. Wasn't such big a deal until 9% the sprout used LB during Brace and succeeded to inflict 0 damage. It was hillarious I couldn't help but laugh. It's a good run

[Driskus]

You really didn't do anything wrong, blm should have used their enmity cooldowns, only thing I would suggest is going holy spam first after going swordoath and using at least 2 or 3 enmity combos to start, sure it'll throw off the start of your damage combos but if your team won't manage their enmity you have little other choice if you'd like to push your damage.

I've seen DPS not care to the point that even 5-6 enmity combos starting out isn't enough in expert dungeons, despite being seriously overgeared.

[laurtias]

Ran "Keeper of the Lake" this morning as a RDM... popped EVERY cooldown I had and still got aggro. The healer, other DPS, and I tried to give the tank advice on rotations and cooldowns as they were a (level 60) sprout tank, but we still couldn't make it past the second boss. After quite a few pitiful wipes, we abandoned it. Never had to do that before.
However, it was eye-opening for me to experience a disaster-run as a dps. I was hesitant to stop maining a WHM going into Stormblood, but I constantly blamed myself for everything that went wrong in a run. It wasn't healthy or fun for me. I look forward to healing again in the future after learning mechanics and how runs SHOULD go. Thanks to all the healers and tanks who show me how it's meant to be done! ^_^

[Kallistra]

I am so sorry to everyone who has had to deal with myself and/or my girlfriend today. Our ISPs are being awful. So many disconnects and party boots.

[Maeka]

Maybe the dps didn't pop enmity CDs, but even in that situation as a WAR I'm usually fine through the end of IR if I open with (Unchained) Tomohawk (Equilibrium) SE Combo with a swap to Deliverance, IR with Thrill, Onslaught and Upheaval woven in. I don't know what the PLD equivalent would be, I'm still leveling PLD, but if a dps eats a buster after you've done an enmity combo in Shield Oath either you've got a monstrous gear disparity or that DPS has messed up.

For PLD it's Fast Blade -> Savage Blade -> Rage of Halone for the enmity combo (FB -> Riot Blade -> Royal Authority/Goring Blade are for DPS).

Basically throw your shield, flash, and use the above combo. Even in DPS stance, the mob you are attacking should not be pulled off of you. Without Shield Oath, however, it gets hard to hold onto multiple enemies later levels.

[MoroMurasaki]

For PLD it's Fast Blade -> Savage Blade -> Rage of Halone for the enmity combo (FB -> Riot Blade -> Royal Authority/Goring Blade are for DPS).

Basically throw your shield, flash, and use the above combo. Even in DPS stance, the mob you are attacking should not be pulled off of you. Without Shield Oath, however, it gets hard to hold onto multiple enemies later levels.

I understand what the PLD enmity combo is, a WAR would use the Butcher's Block combo to do the same thing but that isn't how I start most single target fights especially at 70. There is another way to establish and hold enmity (at least as a WAR) and what I'm suggesting is there is likely a similar method to accomplish the same thing as a PLD.