Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Mesarthim]

Raid roulette gave me Sigma 2.0 on tank. I'll just leave a "slightly" modified transcript of the white mage's chat because inconsistent forum rules.

Sect? (addressing the cohealer AST, they turned on Noct after)
mechanics please (Salty WHM, red mage not understanding the paint mechanic yet)
dude
mechanics please
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Offtank says "shut up pls"
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The kicker is the next line from the salty WHM: "Fudge off"
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Offtank just response with "Anger management"

I'm not sure who stole the WHM's ice cream but that was pretty rude of him to just be uh... "unkind" to the new RDM. There I think this is forum safe.

[SannaR]

Another issue is how you presented the issue, if all you said "stop using it aoe sucks" .. that is not addressing the core issue, the mp use. You should of said something of the like of "cure II heals more then cure III on one person and costs less mp per cast, you will not be running out of mp if you use cure II." If they do not listen or do not say anything, this is where it should be considered of kicking them, this is the only way people learn.

I was slow at typing and people already don't read their tool tips. They also don't ask questions either. Anyway I told them the aoe wasn't big enough to hit everyone unless they were grouped up. If I remember correctly the other dps was caster/ranged and they were casting it on the tank. The 2nd need mp stop happened after the 2nd boss and with like 2 trash packs left before the final. I was also focused on doing mechanics and you know dpsing.

[Frizze]

Not sure how many who need it would use it if it wasn't required, but it's something to consider.

So either make it mandatory or give it a reward that makes it hard to refuse(or both). Hall of the Novice gives a set of armor(maybe a good enough incentive) and an exp ring(the reason i recommend it to new people). You could do another set of gear(maybe glamour gear?) and an exp bracelet that goes up to 60... maybe an extra fantasia too? Itd be easy to insert into the story - toward the end of ARR the alliance comes up with a big complicated plan with a lot of moving parts intended to give you a chance to stop the Ultimate Weapon. The key to the whole plan is you performing a set of military-style objectives(which isnt a thing youve done a ton of). General Raubahn could easily say you need to complete some further training before the mission starts. It would also be kinda funny(in a sadistic way) if Aurum Vale was the highest level content you could do without completing it. I would also make it something that using a jump potion doesnt set as completed. So if your first class is skipping ahead you still need to go back and show the general that you belong on the battlefield.

[Maeka]

Eh, trust me, WoW tried something like that with the Silver Challenge thingie, I forget what it was called, but you had to complete the Silver rank before you were permitted to do Heroic Dungeons in Warlords.

That went about as good as anybody could have expected -- there was lots of whining from legit people who struggled with it (because some of it wasn't that well designed), and lazy people passed it, and then went on to absolutely suck in Heroic Dungeons because they had no intention of actually playing well whatsoever because they're lazy. And of course, they still ignored mechanics. They played just well enough to pass the silver challenge, but didn't read up on bosses, and continually died to stupid stuff.

So TL; DR: It didn't work very well and Blizz scrapped the requirement in the next expansion.

They instead went with a system that doesn't use the DF to force people to manually group up, and that's how we got that cancer that is Raider.io where now instead of people sucking in random dungeons, we now got rampant elitism and people scrutinizing over your gear, your history, etc by some 3rd party website and addon.

[Doozer]

I've been running into tank after tank, usually PLDs, that refuse to use their actual tank stance, and don't seem to have any issues with losing aggro to both DPS and dying constantly. Every tank wants to be a DPS, and it's like they expect the healer to tank.

I feel like I missed a memo when I was away for a few months that said Shield Oath, Defiance, and Grit weren't The Meta anymore and using them gets you kicked or something.

[Maeka]

I feel like I missed a memo when I was away for a few months that said Shield Oath, Defiance, and Grit weren't The Meta anymore and using them gets you kicked or something.

Blame the Endgame gotta GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO mentality for that.

They get used to doing that and they want to try it in lower level dungeons too, even though that's just not feasible with the toolkit/gear that they have.

The way I feel, if I'm playing a tank and someone dares grumble at me for using tank stance in a dungeon, well they can wait 10+ minutes on another tank and I'll get an instaqueue. They can just suck it up if they don't like it.

[Mixt]

People grumbling at me for using tank stance in dungeons usually results in my letting them have aggro, while saying something along the lines of "Look what happens when the tank doesn't tank, but hey, don't complain, this is what you wanted after all"

A rather vindictive response perhaps, but it would have happened anyway if they had their way so might as well speed up the inevitable to get it over with rather than waste time trying to prevent it.

Besides, i would rather be kicked and be able to que up again immediately than leave of my own accord and eat the 30 minute penalty because other members of the party are being silly.

[tinythinker]

So either make it mandatory or give it a reward that makes it hard to refuse(or both). Hall of the Novice gives a set of armor(maybe a good enough incentive) and an exp ring(the reason i recommend it to new people). You could do another set of gear(maybe glamour gear?) and an exp bracelet that goes up to 60... maybe an extra fantasia too?

Eh, trust me, WoW tried something like that... went about as good as anybody could have expected -- there was lots of whining from legit people who struggled with it (because some of it wasn't that well designed), and lazy people passed it, and then went on to absolutely suck in Heroic Dungeons because they had no intention of actually playing well

It might help people who are legitimately confused or stuck (yes, some of us can get that confused or stuck), especially if strongly it's incentivized but optional, but many people will play how they want. Isn't the situation now in WoW that if you just want to do instanced content for stories you can nearly sleep through normal mode, with challenge being gated in other ways (like keys and the aforementioned Raider.io)? Anyway, I'm for helping people who want & need help (like moi) but not sure how to fairly and accurately separate the "trying but seriously struggling" from "carry me I need a birb" groups with any mechanism implemented by SE. I figured that's one of the reasons why the they have well-compensated roulettes.

[Maeka]

I hate how they did Mythic Dungeons in WoW, because it makes it nearly impossible for the casual, guild-less player to ever see content regardless of his or her personal skill. You could have maybe 5 clears to your name and even though you play perfectly, nobody wants you, kinda like how the Credit Score system works IRL. No Experience = You're Terrible regardless of your actual skill. So until or unless you get a guild and get people to take you into quite a number of M+ runs, then MAYBE people might think you are good enough.

The Key system very strongly punishes people for wiping and that's not very good when you want participation, when you want people to be able to do the content without a guild. I just feel it is poorly designed, and it shouldn't be the only non-raiding content in the game to actually get gear for your character. I wish we could just go back to MoP and Badges of Valor.

[MoroMurasaki]

Blame the Endgame gotta GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO mentality for that.

They get used to doing that and they want to try it in lower level dungeons too, even though that's just not feasible with the toolkit/gear that they have.

The way I feel, if I'm playing a tank and someone dares grumble at me for using tank stance in a dungeon, well they can wait 10+ minutes on another tank and I'll get an instaqueue. They can just suck it up if they don't like it.

In endgame the 'gotta go' mentality is 'gotta beat enrage so we don't have to do all this over again' which I don't think is something to criticize.

While I would never pressure a random pug tank to leave tank stance in a dungeon I think it's equally rude to expect someone to sit there in tank stance for the entire dungeon if them leaving tank stance isn't going to cause any crazy strain on the healer. I wouldn't mega-pull in Deliverance (I tank most trash in Defiance really) but if soneone has something to say about me swapping to Deliverance on bosses they can take their comments and go fly a kite. There is no reason to tank anything single-target in tank stance in a dungeon, you're just needlessly gimping the group's damage.

I understand some tanks have issues holding threat outside of their tank stance (though I don't really know how) but those tanks are not likely the same tanks doing Savage (and adopting that 'gogogo' mentality you talk about) since if you can't hold hate in Savage you'll just get kicked.

I had a fun time in leveling roulette this morning. Went on PLD, got Brayflox with an AST, a DRG and a MCH. Everything is going well enough. The AST pulls the first boss with a Combust but to be fair I stopped at the door to click on a food buff.

After the second boss things get interesting. The AST runs over to me with enemies trailing them, I pull them off assuming it was a mistake. We down the pack we were working on as well as the ones the AST pulled then move on to the ones right by the gateway to the Salamander boss.

I watch the AST run off and pull a group. Oh, so this wasn't accidental. I decide to stick to my guns. The DRG and I keep working on our enemies with the AST and MCH (both from the same server too) kite the other enemies around. AST goes down and I flash them on to me but I'm okay because I brought potions.

Throughout the salamander boss the AST gets saltier and saltier in chat. He calls me a "whiny b****" and some other fun words. I tell him if he wants to decide what groups we fight he shoukd play a tank. It's not like if he had said "I could really use a full clear for the exp if you don't mind" that I wouldn't have obliged him.

The AST and MCH proceed to pull the same things on the way to the boss room. The AST tells me what an awful tank I am (yeah sure, I'm missing out on all that sweet level 34 PLD optimization) and devolves into sexist and racist attacks.

I thought of leaving but didn't want to leave the DRG with them so I stuck it out. Reported them really quick once I got out though, as they deserved. It's like people don't realize all that chat is accessible to GMs.

If you read this stupid AST or their MCH friend I hope you enjoy your bans o/