Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS

[Kurando]

If IP adress change from one place to another in single hour and than comes back its clearly suspicious.

Not necessarily, some players do use VPNs. So they could change their location easily in a few minutes, still not always account sharing.

[DDkiki]

Not necessarily, some players do use VPNs. So they could change their location easily in a few minutes, still not always account sharing.

If the person in question is already suspicious in RMT deals existance of VPN is not contradicting it. They totally can trace that he logged from one IP, logged off, loggen on from another IP, cleared ultimate, logged off and than logged on from old IP. And players who sell are constantly having new random party member...SE should allow GMs more freedom in inverstigating RMT stuff so they game would become healther expirience. This RMT problem is also works in hands with farm-bots, gil-sellers. Sometimes its even one guild or group of people. This lobbies should be dealt with.

I wonder if people would be ok with Square selling the loot on Mogstation. After all you can already buy the stuff from third parties so there is no real difference. Still people generally don't like this kind of "pay to win" market...

Thats the main reason we try to fight it. Game becoming p2w by black market. Its just disgusting. And while its p2w with it it still have sub price and cash shop.

[Kurando]

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Ok let's say theoretically SE takes action based on IP and there would be no more (or at least a reduction) in account sharing. How about if someone comes to your house, or you take your laptop to them and give that player access to compete the content for you. Technically you are there for the clear, and no one can actually prove you are not doing it yourself, so how would SE handle this situation? I know it would be a lot of effort to go to, but if there is a market for kind of thing people will always find a way.

[DDkiki]

I want to show my friend Ultimate. He lives nearby. I pop round to his house, logon, clear ultimate while he watches behind me, logoff, then go home. I've been in control of my account the entire time. Let's say I have several friends that want to do this. Sure, I could simply stream, but in what way am I breaking the rules doing this? Yet under your rules, I could still get dinged for it and get banned. It isn't as cut and dry as you put it unfortunately.

If you didnt clear it ever before and suddenly cleared it with different IP with a new ppl? Yes it will be suspicious and might needed deeper investigation. You prolly would show it to your friend with your static, not new randoms cuz you will never clear it with total strangers fast enough to just "show it". So thats why i said it will at 1st be suspicious, not ban in 1st minutes of changing IP. And this hypothetical situation is really rare, even rarer than actual clears of ultimates or sold runs.

But i have a question, why you and many other people so eager to defend RMT, account-sharing and other bs stuff?

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Thats why i said it just a trigger for investigating and might be a clue at exposing RMT sellers if they were investigated at that case. Who was your party members. What was your latest activities. There are many different factors to it. If you run with your static and it was same people who your were running with - prolly it OK and have no problem. If you never cleared and suddenly managed to clear it with new ppl with different IP while having drastivally different performance...thats suspicious.

But lets start with thing that SE dont care about RMT to begin with so they have zero intention to expose thoose lobbies and this black market.

Lol casuals get mad at this but would celebrate if SE put replica ultima weapons on the cash shop for 30 bucks a piece :P

Well they will ruin runseller's bisuness with it which is good. And its just a shiny toy anyway.

[Paladinleeds]

But i have a question, why you and many other people so eager to defend RMT, account-sharing and other bs stuff?

At what point did I say I'm defending RMT, account-sharing, etc? I don't defend it. I feel that RMT is a bane and account-sharing is just opening yourself up to have everything stolen from you. But because I say it isn't as cut and dry as you make it out to be I'm defending RMT, account-sharing, etc? People have said this to me before, but it applies here. Don't put words in my mouth.

[Paladinleeds]

If the person in question is already suspicious in RMT deals existance of VPN is not contradicting it. They totally can trace that he logged from one IP, logged off, loggen on from another IP, cleared ultimate, logged off and than logged on from old IP.

I want to show my friend Ultimate. He lives nearby. I pop round to his house, logon, clear ultimate while he watches behind me, logoff, then go home. I've been in control of my account the entire time. Let's say I have several friends that want to do this. Sure, I could simply stream, but in what way am I breaking the rules doing this? Yet under your rules, I could still get dinged for it and get banned. It isn't as cut and dry as you put it unfortunately.