Can Healers Stop Running Ahead in Dungeons

[Aelio]

The percentage of healers and DPS who regularly run ahead of the tank in a dungeon scenario is fairly low - i see this less then once a month. If this is happening to you "constantly" then its possible that you are the problem.

At the time of writing this I hadn't done a ton of dungeons but I had ran into some instances of this and had literally just got out of an annoying group where a dps was just doing his own thing. I agree that, since I've had more time to play, this doesn't happen all that often. I guess I just hit a streak of runs where I had some eager beavers. It's actually been just fine lately, no issues really. I still don't think people should run ahead of the tank and do what they want though. At the very least communicate something beforehand. While I've never minded myself about the pace of a tank, I encourage those that do to simply speak up before just doing whatever. The tank can do the same and should if needed.

[Aelio]

On occasion things happen, I'm fine with some curve balls, I'd just hope that we can all agree on the roles we are supposed to be playing, and who should really be doing what lol. The tank is the damage receiver, he generally takes the least damage, she for you feminist, and her taking the damage makes it a bit easier for the healer to do their job in general. Again, I'm not hating on any particular role, I'm merely commenting on what I had experienced at the time. Regardless of their role though, I think you should follow your tank but if something seems off, just speak up. They will probably appreciate it.

[geekgirl101]

Don't go stressing yourself out in trying to "save" people who pull first because if you're healing them then you'll get aggro and die a lot faster than that DPS who ran in like a Leeroy, and if it's the healer doing the pulls well then... your cure 2's can only heal you so much but give a few seconds with half a dozen mobs critting and doing their special moves on you and you'll be eating mud pie and only have yourself to blame for it and not the tank who is staring at you and wondering did your brain cells forget to resurrect with the rest of you the last time you KO'd.

On the other hand I know tanks who've rushed so far ahead of the party and try to kite pull a dozen mobs at once and expect the healer to keep them alive, either they've kited too far from the healer that they're already half-dead by the time they stop kiting or they're taking more damage than the healer can cure.

[Aelio]

you'll be eating mud pie and only have yourself to blame for it and not the tank who is staring at you and wondering did your brain cells forget to resurrect with the rest of you the last time you KO'd.

On the other hand I know tanks who've rushed so far ahead of the party and try to kite pull a dozen mobs at once and expect the healer to keep them alive, either they've kited too far from the healer that they're already half-dead by the time they stop kiting or they're taking more damage than the healer can cure.

This if funny cause I have been trying a balls to the wall method of dungeon running where I just kind of grab stuff, go crazy, and move almost before it's even over. I generally stun at the end or something. But yes I generally end up feeling bad cause I'm leaving my party behind.


There it is just another no brainer reason why you don't be a dumb F#1@!

What I mean by that is it's either too slow or too fast. Better just "trust me" like someone else claimed I needed to do for others lol. Trust goes both ways son. How bout you trust me or least say something.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

But depending on dungeon we might as well let selene main heal and if you get a sch who doesnt dps he can auto follow afk. Is this the better alternative?

You dont need wall to wall pulls, but usually 2 sets is fine with a few cures and allows higher dmg.

[Driskus]

On the other hand I know tanks who've rushed so far ahead of the party and try to kite pull a dozen mobs at once and expect the healer to keep them alive, either they've kited too far from the healer that they're already half-dead by the time they stop kiting or they're taking more damage than the healer can cure.

Kinda like the ones that try to double pull after the first wall in Bardam's. As annoying as it is being a waste of time, its hilarious watching the tank get instagibbed when they aggro the 2nd pack. Every time. The least they could do is communicate that they're going to do a suicide pull.

[Shurrikhan]

Alternatively: Can everyone else start keeping up in dungeons? Sprint is there for a reason. Nothing feels worse than having to heal up the extra 30k damage taken solely because the tank refused to pop Sprint just before entering combat. This comes mostly from a tank's perspective, rather than a healer's, as I queue generally dungeons only either on my main DPS or for tank instaqueue, but I find myself far more often pissed off from the sidelines (e.g. when running dungeons as a DPS) at a tank mismanaging pulls than at any "DPS healer".

There is nothing wrong with Regen being used during a pull unless the mobs are too spread for an AoE. Even then it's not an issue so long as the healer stacks on you. As a tank, I much prefer it to the healer lagging behind because of having to use a direct heal mid-pull. I've only twice had a disorderly pull due to it in 5 years of tanking, the first for all of two GCDs, and would have been no issue at all if there weren't so many casters among the mobs pulled or if the healer had just baited them to me, and the second only because the healer outright sprinted away from me, outside of Unmend range, with the mobs in tow.

As a i340 DRK I usually require just 1 or 2 HoTs / Adlos per Hell's Lid last mass-pull. TBN, CDs, DA-AD, and healer abilities take care of the rest. You're only really at risk if there isn't enough DPS going out for the CDs to affect the majority of the encounter's total damage taken (e.g. if there aren't a couple mobs dead, or all mobs at 15 seconds' or less HP) by the time all CDs are exhausted. As such I quite often worry for my life only if the healer isn't DPSing all out while my CDs are up.

As a tank, I find these slivers of tank entitledness disturbing. Learn to be efficient, and understand that your only purpose for being there is to accelerate the run. If you're having to hold anyone back outright, you're doing something wrong.

[jameseoakes]

As a tank, I find these slivers of tank entitledness disturbing. Learn to be efficient, and understand that your only purpose for being there is to accelerate the run. If you're having to hold anyone back outright, you're doing something wrong.

I don't like this attitude, it puts a lot of pressure on the tank, and probably puts a lot of people off tanking.

[Kurando]

I don't like this attitude, it puts a lot of pressure on the tank, and probably puts a lot of people off tanking.

Definitely. A lot of people play this game for fun and even SE themselves have said that everyone is entitled to their own playstyle. If a tank wants to take it slow and easy, no one should be forcing them to play otherwise. Yes encouragement is always good but players should never be alienated for how they play, and it seems a sense of entitlement is coming from those who constantly expect fast runs, or to quote exactly "purpose for being there is to accelerate the run".

[Tex_Mex]

I don't like this attitude, it puts a lot of pressure on the tank, and probably puts a lot of people off tanking.

Tank "entitlement" lol. Tanks play the most boring, most knowledge required, most high pressure job in the game. I have no issue playing to their comfort level.