Can Healers Stop Running Ahead in Dungeons

[Voidedge_Ragna]

Healers run past you if they want to do something. Pull sets of 2-3 and that keeps em happy. A sch with a pet up will cook dinner if you pull single sets.

They want to have fun, if they want more, they feel comfortable keeping you alive. Try trusting them?

[Tint]

Healers run past you if they want to do something. Pull sets of 2-3 and that keeps em happy. A sch with a pet up will cook dinner if you pull single sets.

They want to have fun, if they want more, they feel comfortable keeping you alive. Try trusting them?

they could also trust me regarding the pull size.

happened especially in ala mhigo at the two monkey robots after the first boss... i like to pull them one by one, because the monkeys have so much HP that aoe's aren't that effective and i also have to use too much defense for them, wich leads to problems when i pull the next group with the dogs to the wall into the other group there :O
but almost every time someone pulls the second monkey, usually the healer.

another example is fractal continuum hard mode, at the beginning. i prefer to pull the minotaur and chimera group one by one, because it's way easier to handle with dodging the minotaur and stunning the chimera without dozens of little enemys in between wich are pushing the two big ones around :X
it doesn't happen that often that someone pulls the chimera, but it happens often enough.

[Dualgunner]

You might have a better argument if dungeons weren't so pitifully weak that the whole "fine let the dps/healer keep what they pulled" didn't end in the dps not only winning but killing theirs faster than you.

Or allow for a RDM to tank the majority of Swallows Compass 3 man while waiting for the tank to reconnect.

You can dislike how your party goes about things, but the same answer for people complaining about low/weak performance in df applies here: use party finder instead.

[Aelio]

On occasion things happen, I'm fine with some curve balls, I'd just hope that we can all agree on the roles we are supposed to be playing, and who should really be doing what lol. The tank is the damage receiver, he generally takes the least damage, she for you feminist, and her taking the damage makes it a bit easier for the healer to do their job in general. Again, I'm not hating on any particular role, I'm merely commenting on what I had experienced at the time. Regardless of their role though, I think you should follow your tank but if something seems off, just speak up. They will probably appreciate it.

[geekgirl101]

Don't go stressing yourself out in trying to "save" people who pull first because if you're healing them then you'll get aggro and die a lot faster than that DPS who ran in like a Leeroy, and if it's the healer doing the pulls well then... your cure 2's can only heal you so much but give a few seconds with half a dozen mobs critting and doing their special moves on you and you'll be eating mud pie and only have yourself to blame for it and not the tank who is staring at you and wondering did your brain cells forget to resurrect with the rest of you the last time you KO'd.

On the other hand I know tanks who've rushed so far ahead of the party and try to kite pull a dozen mobs at once and expect the healer to keep them alive, either they've kited too far from the healer that they're already half-dead by the time they stop kiting or they're taking more damage than the healer can cure.

[Aelio]

you'll be eating mud pie and only have yourself to blame for it and not the tank who is staring at you and wondering did your brain cells forget to resurrect with the rest of you the last time you KO'd.

On the other hand I know tanks who've rushed so far ahead of the party and try to kite pull a dozen mobs at once and expect the healer to keep them alive, either they've kited too far from the healer that they're already half-dead by the time they stop kiting or they're taking more damage than the healer can cure.

This if funny cause I have been trying a balls to the wall method of dungeon running where I just kind of grab stuff, go crazy, and move almost before it's even over. I generally stun at the end or something. But yes I generally end up feeling bad cause I'm leaving my party behind.


There it is just another no brainer reason why you don't be a dumb F#1@!

What I mean by that is it's either too slow or too fast. Better just "trust me" like someone else claimed I needed to do for others lol. Trust goes both ways son. How bout you trust me or least say something.

[Driskus]

On the other hand I know tanks who've rushed so far ahead of the party and try to kite pull a dozen mobs at once and expect the healer to keep them alive, either they've kited too far from the healer that they're already half-dead by the time they stop kiting or they're taking more damage than the healer can cure.

Kinda like the ones that try to double pull after the first wall in Bardam's. As annoying as it is being a waste of time, its hilarious watching the tank get instagibbed when they aggro the 2nd pack. Every time. The least they could do is communicate that they're going to do a suicide pull.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

But depending on dungeon we might as well let selene main heal and if you get a sch who doesnt dps he can auto follow afk. Is this the better alternative?

You dont need wall to wall pulls, but usually 2 sets is fine with a few cures and allows higher dmg.

[Shurrikhan]

Alternatively: Can everyone else start keeping up in dungeons? Sprint is there for a reason. Nothing feels worse than having to heal up the extra 30k damage taken solely because the tank refused to pop Sprint just before entering combat. This comes mostly from a tank's perspective, rather than a healer's, as I queue generally dungeons only either on my main DPS or for tank instaqueue, but I find myself far more often pissed off from the sidelines (e.g. when running dungeons as a DPS) at a tank mismanaging pulls than at any "DPS healer".

There is nothing wrong with Regen being used during a pull unless the mobs are too spread for an AoE. Even then it's not an issue so long as the healer stacks on you. As a tank, I much prefer it to the healer lagging behind because of having to use a direct heal mid-pull. I've only twice had a disorderly pull due to it in 5 years of tanking, the first for all of two GCDs, and would have been no issue at all if there weren't so many casters among the mobs pulled or if the healer had just baited them to me, and the second only because the healer outright sprinted away from me, outside of Unmend range, with the mobs in tow.

As a i340 DRK I usually require just 1 or 2 HoTs / Adlos per Hell's Lid last mass-pull. TBN, CDs, DA-AD, and healer abilities take care of the rest. You're only really at risk if there isn't enough DPS going out for the CDs to affect the majority of the encounter's total damage taken (e.g. if there aren't a couple mobs dead, or all mobs at 15 seconds' or less HP) by the time all CDs are exhausted. As such I quite often worry for my life only if the healer isn't DPSing all out while my CDs are up.

As a tank, I find these slivers of tank entitledness disturbing. Learn to be efficient, and understand that your only purpose for being there is to accelerate the run. If you're having to hold anyone back outright, you're doing something wrong.