[Request] Add alternative methods to getting old Feast rewards

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I don't twist words. You seem to say that whenever I refute your argument. Maybe you should try something else.

If you made good arguments, I wouldn't accuse you of twisting my words. Instead, you do the following...

Legacy chocobos are unique only to themselves in which they are unique. You can't reskin a legacy chocobo and call them the same. Also Ultimate weapons are far more unique and different from what they are based off of to be called reskins. They are not the same thing.

They are literally the same model but with very minor variations. The Legacy Chocobo has the tattoo on its beak and slightly darkened feathers while the Ultima weapons take the old ARR relics, paint them silver and add particle effects. Since you're seemingly on board with them being different, it shouldn't be an issue if the two PvP mounts had reskins with similar changes made available elsewhere.

Then they made Feast and Ultimate. Very interesting. Moving towards exclusives instead of babying the playerbase.

Ultimate Coil was a exception to the rule and has become the rule for future content cycles. There is nothing wrong with evolving the game further from the base.

Except the Feast released before many of the more recent exclusive changes. Therefore, they actually moved away from that model. And Ultimate has no exclusive rewards. They are obtainable at any time, and as we've established, are simply reskins of existing items.

What future content? Let's review Stormblood from 4.1 onward, when Ultimate released.

Eureka: Amemos, Sigmascape, Perform, Rival Wings, Canals, Rabanastre, Ridorana and Eureka: Pagos all offered nothing exclusive. Even Coil itself removed the weekly limitation, thus you need only finish the content at any time to obtain its reward. So, please, tell me where this shift to exclusivity is evident because no major content has anything that cannot be obtained whenever the player so desires... except PvP.

They are still only available to contest winners. Which I why I guess why you never suggest the remove time exclusivity from Feast rewards but still restrict them to top 100 players. But you've always tried to deny such a possibility. You defend the art contest keeping it to artist winners and runners-up but not the idea only top 100 players should get top 100 rewards. Maybe you should be consistent yourself.

That's a disingenuous comparison. For one, contents are far more readily available and don't require anything beyond your time. People have won despite showing only basic drawing skills whereas top 100 necessitates you compete at the highest PvP level and do so immediately due to the asinine way in which the rank system is handled. The rewards for the content are simply a cute little participation reward. Mounts are perceived differently, especially when the PvE community asked for both and they locked them in PvP content. It's not a reward for PvPers but a plea to try and get PvE players to play Feast.

I also would love to hear you comment on #freeship vs #top100. You conveniently ignored that part of my argument.

Probably because I have no idea what you're referring with the silly hash tags. I don't recall SE ever offering free shipping on their merchandise store, unless you mean the whole minion debacle.

[Aviars]

If you made good arguments, I wouldn't accuse you of twisting my words. Instead, you do the following...

I believe you are wrong as well. Does that mean you are twisting my words? I guess so haha

They are literally the same model but with very minor variations. The Legacy Chocobo has the tattoo on its beak and slightly darkened feathers while the Ultima weapons take the old ARR relics, paint them silver and add particle effects. Since you're seemingly on board with them being different, it shouldn't be an issue if the two PvP mounts had reskins with similar changes made available elsewhere.

Again what makes a legacy chocobo completely unique is the tatoo. You can't call other chocobos reskins of the legacy chocobo. That doesn't make sense. The only thing similar is the silhouette. At that point you wouldn't even call them reskins.

Except the Feast released before many of the more recent exclusive changes. Therefore, they actually moved away from that model. And Ultimate has no exclusive rewards. They are obtainable at any time, and as we've established, are simply reskins of existing items.

So what if the feast released earlier? That is a non-factor. The fact they have not changed it should be a memo to you that they are going forward with the system as is.

What future content? Let's review Stormblood from 4.1 onward, when Ultimate released.

Eureka: Amemos, Sigmascape, Perform, Rival Wings, Canals, Rabanastre, Ridorana and Eureka: Pagos all offered nothing exclusive. Even Coil itself removed the weekly limitation, thus you need only finish the content at any time to obtain its reward. So, please, tell me where this shift to exclusivity is evident because no major content has anything that cannot be obtained whenever the player so desires... except PvP.

Again you are not getting my argument. You complain SE is not being consistent in how they run their game. Therefore you should be against anything Se does that strays from whatever cookiecutter path you claim you support. Because you love consistency. I think I understand why you like using the "twisting words" buzzword. You seem to do it to me a lot.

That's a disingenuous comparison. For one, contents are far more readily available and don't require anything beyond your time. People have won despite showing only basic drawing skills whereas top 100 necessitates you compete at the highest PvP level and do so immediately due to the asinine way in which the rank system is handled. The rewards for the content are simply a cute little participation reward. Mounts are perceived differently, especially when the PvE community asked for both and they locked them in PvP content. It's not a reward for PvPers but a plead to try and get PvE players to play Feast.

You don't seem to understand the art contest then. It is about providing the best concept. And what you consider basic is your subjective opinion. It is still a contest that choose the TOP submissions and rewards them. Top 100 in the Feast is the same way. They are both contests that reward the top participants. If anything is disingenuous it's you claiming the winners in the art contest do not deserve winning. At the end of the day it is the same thing. If you can't support Feast operating in a similar fashion to the art contest you are contradicting yourself. End of story,

Probably because I have no idea what you're referring with the silly hash tags. I don't recall SE ever offering free shipping on their merchandise store, unless you mean the whole minion debacle.

There was recently a promotion at a event where they offered #freeship or free shipping for merchandise being offered at the event. It just so turns out this wasn't true and the store tried to claim it was only a $8 discount. The community rose up and complained that they were going back on them saying it was going to be free shipping and eventually the store honored the free shipping.

This is where I question why people will force SE to honor free shipping but will try to get SE to make top 100 rewards not top 100 rewards after they explicitly said they were top 100 rewards only.

Just pointing out inconsistency in the community. They should be DEFENDING top 100 rewards to keep them as they are.

edit: minor typos I noticed

[Emstidor]

This is where I question why people will force SE to honor free shipping but will try to get SE to make top 100 rewards not top 100 rewards after they explicitly said they were top 100 rewards only.

One of these is literally a case of illegal fraud regarding financial transactions. The other concerns items in a video game. It's a little weird to me that you keep trying to draw parallels between them when they're not comparable in any way.

Not only that, but when we try to draw our own parallels between one set of items (Moogle attire, hellpup minions, goobbue mount, etc) and the PVP top 100 rewards (two groups which have much MUCH more in common than your own example) you stubbornly dismiss the comparisons as unrelated. Are you for real?

[Aviars]

One of these is literally a case of illegal fraud regarding financial transactions. The other concerns items in a video game. It's a little weird to me that you keep trying to draw parallels between them when they're not comparable in any way.

I guess to some people, some promises are worth more than others. Regardless, we pay a monthly sub and we play and pay according to what SE tells us and promises. They are comparable whether you like it or not.

And already explained why you guys were wrong earlier on things like the hellpups. I don't need to repeat myself for things you are trying to bring up yet again.

Edit: Anyways, I will only be posting 1-2 more times. This thread is spent as far as I'm concerned and there's no reason to argue the same points I dealt with pages ago.

[Rogatum]

@Aviars, once again think what we have here is an issue of miscommunication and instead of asking others to expand further you take a combative approach with ends up derailing the conversation. Most are not asking for the exact version of the item awarded to the top 100, they are asking for an altered version. Which you seem on board with so what is it you are fighting for? I am confused. If anything you should be in support for the OP's suggestion since that would put and end to this entire discussion.

[Aviars]

Which you seem on board with

There's no reason to imply I said things I didn't say. I never agreed with you on that and you know it. And I won't renew the debate with you on that. People can go back in the thread and see that clearly. You already know what I think, and it doesn't agree with pandering to people who want rewards meant to be for top 100 players.

Good day to you. You took 1 of my last posts in this thread you won't get another.

[Reinha]

Again what makes a legacy chocobo completely unique is the tatoo. You can't call other chocobos reskins of the legacy chocobo. That doesn't make sense. The only thing similar is the silhouette. At that point you wouldn't even call them reskins.

If some other content offered a Hellhound mount of a different color with glowing horns and a symbol written on it's chest, would you be ok with that? The mount people got from PvP would still be different enough for people to recognize its origin.

[Rogatum]

There's no reason to imply I said things I didn't say. I never agreed with you on that and you know it. And I won't renew the debate with you on that. People can go back in the thread and see that clearly. You already know what I think, and it doesn't agree with pandering to people who want rewards meant to be for top 100 players.

Good day to you. You took 1 of my last posts in this thread you won't get another.

Realistically legacy chocobo is a slightly altered version, and you said before it is a completely different item due to the differences. So a slightly altered version of the PvP mounts would also be a different item thus not breaking the agreement. You have no logical reason to be against such a change going based off the criteria you mentioned. You seem to be okay with the legacy bird, so it is really that far to fetch to think you would also be okay with slightly altered versions of the PvP rewards? If The only thing similar is the silhouette? Once again you were the one that said a tattoo and darken feathers make the legacy bird unique.

Seeing as there is nothing new being said. I will say good night.

Again I won't renew the debate with you Rogatum, especially since you are starting from square one rather than where I actually responded to you last. I won't go one for 5 pages rehashing the same points with you. Go reread the thread from the beginning if you wish to do that.

I won't be back, thread is done to me.

I am confused, you were the one that said that the Legacy Chocobo is a unique item due to the tattoo and the darken feathers, and you seem perfectly okay with that. So following that precedent, it is reasonable to say that you would be perfectly fine if SE released an altered version that had slight differences since those difference would be what makes it an unique item. Which is what most people are asking for, a unique item that does not breach the agreement SE made with the PvP community. You said it yourself if it does not break the original agreement you would not have an issue with that beyond lamenting over the fact that they got rid of a system that rewards skill.

Edited out things that did not pertain to the topic at hand.

[Aviars]

Seeing as there is nothing new being said. I will say good night.

Again I won't renew the debate with you Rogatum, especially since you are starting from square one rather than where I actually responded to you last. I won't go for 5 pages rehashing the same points with you. Go reread the thread from the beginning if you wish to do that.

I won't be back, thread is done to me.

[Cidel]

I won't be back, thread is done to me.

A few people in this thread, specifically the OP brought up reskins.

The mount people got from PvP would still be different enough for people to recognize its origin.

I've been wondering if they'd do something like that. The Goobue mount from 1.0 had a successor with the Sylph Goobue.