Ultimate hiatus feedback

[lovelylion]

To Dev Team:
Please don't listen to them, they may be famous for being top raid group but they don't represent for all of FFXIV community.
Dev team should put all resource in developing next expansion's contents.
Only less than 1% of players can clear a new ultimate content in 4.5, and it will be dead as soon as 5.0 arrives.
Please don't waste any cost on this kind of content.

開発チームへ：
この人たちの意見を参考しないでください。彼らはファーストレイドチームとして有名ですが、すべてのFFXIVプレイヤーを代表できるわけではありません。
開発チームは資源を次の拡張に集中すべきです。
4.5で絶を出しても１％未満のプレイヤーしかクリアできません、そして5.0が出たらこの絶はすぐ死にコンテンツになります。
こんなコンテンツにコストをかけないでください。

[yun0]

To Dev Team:
Please don't listen to them, they may be famous for being top raid group but they don't represent for all of FFXIV community.
Dev team should put all resource in developing next expansion's contents.
Only less than 1% of players can clear a new ultimate content in 4.5, and it will be dead as soon as 5.0 arrives.
Please don't waste any cost on this kind of content.

開発チームへ：
この人たちの意見を参考しないでください。彼らはファーストレイドチームとして有名ですが、すべてのFFXIVプレイヤーを代表できるわけではありません。
開発チームは資源を次の拡張に集中すべきです。
4.5で絶を出しても１％未満のプレイヤーしかクリアできません、そして5.0が出たらこの絶はすぐ死にコンテンツになります。
こんなコンテンツにコストをかけないでください。

To devs:
Please dont listen to lovelylion, he is not even the 1%, but 1 person.

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it should be considered whats the amount of players actually entering the ultimate, not the % of succesful clears. Just by entering means they are playing the content. And that is the purpose so far. I dont need another wasted resources on Diadem or diadem 2.0. Also, just a follow up idea: If a major patch hits, why dont they just rework and adjust the old ultimates for the new ilvl/lvl. Its im sure way cheaper to rework old ultimates for new players then unsyncing the old ones and creating new ones...

[Sebazy]

Only less than 1% of players can clear a new ultimate content in 4.5, and it will be dead as soon as 5.0 arrives.
Please don't waste any cost on this kind of content.

If I might be so bold as to ask:

What about the very significant portion of midcore statics and PFs that spend considerable amounts of time working on Ultimate even if they aren't particularly likely to clear it? Do they factor into your opinion?

[KDSilver]

To Dev Team:
Please don't listen to them, they may be famous for being top raid group but they don't represent for all of FFXIV community.

Forums will never represents all of FFXIV community anyway, not matter what is asked.
Besides, there are not only hardcore raider who are raising their voice to keep a 3rd ultimate in game, but also other players who loved the perspective of this fight.
So maybe a few people can actually clear it, but that content is definitly something that gather more people that what you imagine.

They aren't even wasting ressource and time on it.
This isn't because there won't be a 3rd ultimate that they'll developp something else in exchange.

3 fight in 2 years every 6 month.
Come on. They didn't even complained about having so few.
Let's try to not being selfish.

[HyoMinPark]

If I might be so bold as to ask:

What about the very significant portion of midcore statics and PFs that spend considerable amounts of time working on Ultimate even if they aren't particularly likely to clear it? Do they factor into your opinion?

It is also worth noting, that this thread proves that it’s more than just the 1% that care about Ultimate as a piece of content. Look at the people coming in saying they don’t even raid, but enjoy watching it. Sure the OF is a small portion of the community, but it’s not just the 1% that enjoy this content.

I’m certain more than just the 1% don’t want another 5- to 8-month content drought a la 3.5 and Creator.

[jameseoakes]

If I might be so bold as to ask:

What about the very significant portion of midcore statics and PFs that spend considerable amounts of time working on Ultimate even if they aren't particularly likely to clear it? Do they factor into your opinion?

Do they need a new one though as they'll still be clearing the old ones, it seems like SE are jsut making very flashy content for a very small number of players with a very short lifespan

[HyoMinPark]

Do they need a new one though as they'll still be clearing the old ones, it seems like SE are jsut making very flashy content for a very small number of players with a very short lifespan

I don’t agree with that being a very good reasoning. You could apply it to just about any other content in the game: why make new types of this content when there are still people out there that haven’t done the older content? New Savage tiers? Why put them in when people haven’t cleared the current one? Extremes? Same thing. It sort of falls flat as a reasoning to me, regardless of the targeted audience or its size.

This is all aside from the very high possibility that they probably won’t implement anything to really take Ultimate’s place, and 4.5 will be relatively barren in terms of content if 2.5 and 3.5 are any indicators. And none of the content in this game has any real longevity, in my opinion. It’s why they have to constantly make things like Relic steps that require players to go and run older content, or why they make things like 8-man Raid Roulette or shove large EXP rewards in Alliance Roulette. The best piece of content for this was PotD only because people could use it as an alternative to leveling DPS jobs, but even it started to die down after 4.0 came out.

[jaesang19]

Do they need a new one though as they'll still be clearing the old ones, it seems like SE are jsut making very flashy content for a very small number of players with a very short lifespan

I know of multiple midcore groups that cleared UCoB 3-4 months in and started waiting for UWU. With UWU being much easier than UCoB those groups that do prog the ultimate fights are going to be left to dry far before the next expansion comes out.

[jameseoakes]

I don’t agree with that being a very good reasoning. You could apply it to just about any other content in the game: why make new types of this content when there are still people out there that haven’t done the older content? New Savage tiers? Why put them in when people haven’t cleared the current one? Extremes? Same thing. It sort of falls flat as a reasoning to me, regardless of the targeted audience or its size.

This is all aside from the very high possibility that they probably won’t implement anything to really take Ultimate’s place, and 4.5 will be relatively barren in terms of content if 2.5 and 3.5 are any indicators. .

If 4.5 is going to be a bit barren (which is likely) why make a bespoke bit of content for such a tiny part of the player base and will only ever be for them.

[HyoMinPark]

If 4.5 is going to be a bit barren (which is likely) why make a bespoke bit of content for such a tiny part of the player base and will only ever be for them.

Because the final tier is going to last much longer (like Creator lasted 8 months), which means more groups are clearing the tier in its entirety, getting their BiS, and opening up even more opportunity for more players to step into something like Ultimate—you only need to clear the final floor to step in there after all (though BiS is, obviously, recommended). Ultimate isn’t designed by the main battle content team, so I fail to see how them implementing an Ultimate in 4.5 is a loss. Not implementing Ultimate is.

People are more than able to up the number of Ultimate participants and clears. But it is all reliant on them pushing themselves to improve enough for the content, which everyone is capable of doing. Not to mention, how many people have came to this thread saying they enjoy just watching it and cheering on teams and their friends? Ultimate affects more than just the 1% its designed for.