Can RDM get a little bit of love...

[Kurando]

snip .

Actually no it isn't irrelevant The original cross role system meant that any base class such as Marauder, Pugilist or Lancer etc all could have access to Raise if the player's CNJ was a high enough level. Even Paladin had access to Raise but could not use it in combat (only outside) as only the healers had access to the respective traits. Sure you wouldn't have a lvl 50 Rogue doing high level content because of what it had access to, but the trait was still there to keep the job identities they were supposed to be and not have some random class being used as a unintended Raise dispenser.

[Jonnycbad]

Every class had its own animation for each of the cross skills too. Like a Dragoon using Fracture vs a Paladin using Fracture. Same with spells like Cure or Raise--Dragoons would do a little twirl with their spear and Paladins would use their Sword like a WHM uses a 1h cane.

[Kabooa]

Actually no it isn't irrelevant The original cross role system meant that any base class such as Marauder, Pugilist or Lancer etc all could have access to Raise if the player's CNJ was a high enough level. Even Paladin had access to Raise but could not use it in combat (only outside) as only the healers had access to the respective traits. Sure you wouldn't have a lvl 50 Rogue doing high level content because of what it had access to, but the trait was still there to keep the job identities they were supposed to be and not have some random class being used as a unintended Raise dispenser.

Which was irrelevant. Because no one was going to be a level 50 Pugilist throwing out raises.

[Kurando]

snip .

I know but my point was that's why there was traits for Rez spells. And that's a response to the person who mentioned about combat and non combat rezzes in WoW, which essentially this game used to have.

Please stop trolling with the same line, it's getting tired and you still have brought nothing relevant to the debate. Traits were there, fact.

[TelosNox]

A solution could be to make an instant battleraise as talent with a longer cooldown (>5mins) and remove normal raise casts from all dps. Keep normal raise as cast for healers only. But then there would be still complaints that 2 casters can raise and other dps can not.

Restrict raise to healers completely and adjust dps of rdm -> problem solved and no one complaining, no more specific niche for some classes in progress, no more whining healers that want to dps instead of raise, so rdm or smn shall raise.

[Neela]

the int based heal would still remain as major advantage for non-savage content tho ^^‘

[TelosNox]

The only relevant content for balancing is the content where ppl exclude specific jobs just because they are bad. I don't care if some other job is OP for normal dungeon farming. I do that as random duty, so no one would exclude me or prefer someone else.

I can not do savage content as random duty, that's unrealistic. So I need a premade group and currently they still often exclude SAM, BLM and RDM

[Neela]

The only relevant content for balancing is the content where ppl exclude specific jobs just because they are bad. I don't care if some other job is OP for normal dungeon farming. I do that as random duty, so no one would exclude me or prefer someone else.

Well one could also say „I don’t care savage at all... but I care rare archivments like titles“ tho - it’s not the best argument to say I don’t care balance in content xyz as long they balance the content „I“ personally are interested in... just sayin.

It just seems a bit odd if complaining about being „forced“ to play smn cause Rdm/Blm are weaker in savage is okay but complaining about being forced (this time really be forced) to play RDM to get the potd/hoh archivments is irrelevant because you are not interested in that content as well. -> that’s not balance, that’s personal interest- nothing else.

not even talking about that Rdm is by far the most flexible & effektive cls in Eureka as well... - but I guess that’s again non of your business, right? : /

[Kabooa]

not even talking about that Rdm is by far the most flexible & effektive cls in Eureka as well... - but I guess that’s again non of your business, right? : /

Balance matters in competitive content. You could argue Deep Dungeon is competitive, but I doubt anyone would agree there based solely on the way that content is designed.

[Dualgunner]

Well one could also say „I don’t care savage at all... but I care rare archivments like titles“ tho - it’s not the best argument to say I don’t care balance in content xyz as long they balance the content „I“ personally are interested in... just sayin.

Unrelated but...why does your formatting seem to get worse with every post? x-x

It just seems a bit odd if complaining about being „forced“ to play smn cause Rdm/Blm are weaker in savage is okay but complaining about being forced (this time really be forced) to play RDM to get the potd/hoh archivments is irrelevant because you are not interested in that content as well. -> that’s not balance, that’s personal interest- nothing else.

You're literally the only person I know whose ever made the claim that RDM should be the HoH/PotD/Eureka mage and shouldn't care about Savage. Balancing RDM to have perhaps a weaker heal and less raise capabilities would solve the issues of being "forced" to play that job in order to beat PotD solo. Also I'm still not convinced no other job could do it, just that people made the decision only RDM can for some reason. It's a game of RNG no matter what job you play.