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  1. #21
    Player Dualgunner's Avatar
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    Lilila Lila
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    That's where you and I will have to disagree Shiroe. RDM's identity is not in its dualcast raise ability, and that seems like a very odd thing to even want for an identity for a DPS.
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    LordMaitreya's Avatar
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    Jsun El
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    That's where you and I will have to disagree Shiroe. RDM's identity is not in its dualcast raise ability, and that seems like a very odd thing to even want for an identity for a DPS.
    I love all these blm and smn who are trying to define a red mages identity. IMO they need to stay in their lane.
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  3. #23
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    Jace Ossura
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordMaitreya View Post
    I love all these blm and smn who are trying to define a red mages identity. IMO they need to stay in their lane.
    Yeah, it's completely improbable for anyone to play more than one job at a time.
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  4. #24
    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    If it must be a dichotomy, I would rather RDM have a significant DPS and/or utility buff with Verraise getting a 60sec lock than keep things as they are. Frankly, all three casters need to be looked at because the answer remains "SMN" in virtually all scenarios.
    Please, please this. Exactly this. All of this.

    Anyone who thinks RDM should be Rezmage must not understand feeling their damage bottom out while chainressing several people.
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    Shiroe's Avatar
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    Ohlala Chica
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    I remember the days when brd and mch had the best utility AND where top dps too..., that was just wrong.. (end of HW), even if they depended on drg

    rdm wants utility, sure ..., rdm want more dps, sure ..., but with its utility and easy playstyle, rdm should still remain low tier dps..

    if you want more dps but less or no utility, play smn or blm
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    Player Dualgunner's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroe View Post
    rdm wants utility, sure ..., rdm want more dps, sure ..., but with its utility and easy playstyle, rdm should still remain low tier dps..
    RDM wants more utility to match its current level of damage, or more damage to match its current level of utility. It's a strawman to pretend we want both, and Yoshida has already gone on record saying ease of playstyle isn't what they balance on.
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  7. #27
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    Jkap_Goat's Avatar
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    Jkap Goat
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    Isnt Red mage sppose to be about balance? Be both good in white and black magic but not excel i those magics while also bringing someting new? I feel like red mage should be a red mage like its ffxi counterpart, ( been playing ffxi and starting as a rdm) can heal and dps, i guess a support more than anything. Maybe thats just me though.
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  8. #28
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    Sylvestre Solscribe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat View Post
    Isnt Red mage sppose to be about balance? Be both good in white and black magic but not excel i those magics while also bringing someting new? I feel like red mage should be a red mage like its ffxi counterpart, ( been playing ffxi and starting as a rdm) can heal and dps, i guess a support more than anything. Maybe thats just me though.
    Yes but if you've played the current game, you should for instance know that almost everything is about dps and people number one concern is dps is most case, this is true for dps, tank and heal.


    If you go on the healing section, you'll see a pletorad of WHM post complaining about lilies and every single one of them propose rework to increase their dps. Every single post about WHM is how they don't bring enough rdps to the table compared to AST/SCH.
    No one ever talk about healing, only about dps.
    Since you play healer, you know that healer spend usually around 80 to 90% of their time dpsing in a riad environnement that isn't crippled by bad tank and constant dps death. Which means again that, overall "healing" is a very minor concern even to healer.

    Tank "default" stance is dps with 100% dps materia.

    Currently, RDM suffers from a low dps and you propose to trade even more DPS for... healing? the one thing we could cut by 50% and still manage to complete everything this game has to offer?
    I mean, if you want more heal the one thing that could eventually happen is that RDM heal is potent enough to replace one healer (just give them a Ver Medica). Basically, 1heal 1rdm would be the new "healing" meta for... guess what? more dps.

    The only kind of support RDM would need is more dps. It's more than fine on the defense side of things and I really wish they'd put a 60sec cd on that raise so they could bump up their dps.
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    Last edited by Sylvain; 06-19-2018 at 07:40 PM.

  9. #29
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordMaitreya View Post
    Rdm dps seemed fine before they fixed the bug. Since they fixed that and the other casters received some unnecessary buffs the job is perceived as weak to the if it’s not the best it sucks crowd.

    Maybe they could accelerate entering melee faster to slightly increase dps and the pace of the job without making too many people cry. Especially black mages.
    Clearly you have not played any other of the casters. The changes for blm as example was very much needed
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  10. #30
    Player Neela's Avatar
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    Flower Girl
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    Zodiark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvain View Post
    Yes but if you've played the current game, you should for instance know that almost everything is about dps and people number one concern is dps is most case, this is true for dps, tank and heal.
    well but thats the opinion the com built themselves... its not SE opinion yet at least no official word about a mindset like that - if they would think like that, discussions/cls designs like rdms, smn and brds would never break out the way we are used to nowadays... ^^
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