Being a bad mentor(we should be able to report ppl for being a bad mentor)

[Frostwolfz1]

hello,

I am a beginner when it comes to extreme dungeons and stuff. When me and a friend tried "the striking tree(extreme)" We were joined by a mentor what is pretty nice because that means we have more chance of succes. I did watch a guide how this dungeon works i after a few tries i got the feeling for the mechanics. But today we encounterd a mentor that refused to tell anything and said that this wasnt worth his time because he only wanted the mount.In my opinion, this is not how i imagined the mentor system would work.Being a mentor means that you are willing to help new players with things. Ppl like this guy is not a worthy mentor and i think that we should be able to report ppl that use the mentor system this way. I understand that it can be really annoying to be a mentor sometimes but saying that you are only willing to help because you can get a mount and dodging all the trails that are a little be more harder is not really a mentor mentality

[Moonfish]

Extremes are a bit more than “more harder” and you will find more success if you use the party finder. If you don’t want it to be faceroll easy then be sure to make it clear it’s a synced min item level first time clear.

It’s not really up to you what a mentor should be, either. These mentors are human too, with flaws and everything. If someone doesn’t want to hold your hand through harder content they don’t have to.

[Penthea]

It’s not really up to you what a mentor should be, either. These mentors are human too, with flaws and everything. If someone doesn’t want to hold your hand through harder content they don’t have to.

Did you just tell a new player to not expect help from people who flag themselves as willing to help new players?

No one is forced to use the mentor tag. You can turn it on and off as you please. If a person isn't in the mood to be a mentor then they should take the tag off.

[Moonfish]

Did you just tell a new player to not expect help from people who flag themselves as willing to help new players?

No one is forced to use the mentor tag. You can turn it on and off as you please. If a person isn't in the mood to be a mentor then they should take the tag off.

Mentor roulette is a glorified queue-filler. It also puts the crown on automatically - the player has no choice in this regard. I’m sorry you drew this conclusion from my post.

[Penthea]

Mentor roulette is a glorified queue-filler. It also puts the crown on automatically - the player has no choice in this regard. I’m sorry you drew this conclusion from my post.

Since when is anyone forced to do mentor roulette?

If you don't want to mentor then don't put yourself in a position where it is expected that you would fulfill that role. You don't see players defending tanks who don't want to tank. I don't see why mentors should get special treatment in this regard.

[Paladinleeds]

Since when is anyone forced to do mentor roulette?

If you don't want to mentor then don't put yourself in a position where it is expected that you would fulfill that role. You don't see players defending tanks who don't want to tank. I don't see why mentors should get special treatment in this regard.

Honestly at this point they should decouple Mentor Roulette from the Mentor system. Rename it to "Duty Roulette: General", and keep the mount reward from it. Takes away the reward for being a mentor, but the queue filler duty roulette remains as is. Would also not force mentor on you. Problem solved (for the most part).

[ColorOfSakura]

Extremes are a bit more than “more harder” and you will find more success if you use the party finder. If you don’t want it to be faceroll easy then be sure to make it clear it’s a synced min item level first time clear.

It’s not really up to you what a mentor should be, either. These mentors are human too, with flaws and everything. If someone doesn’t want to hold your hand through harder content they don’t have to.

While I agree that mentors are human and shouldn't be required to know EVERYTHING about the game - you are WILLINGLY flagging yourself as "I am here to help new players." That crown is not a little aesthetic symbol next to your username to show you're better than other people.

If you queue for Mentor Roulette or you put that crown on, then you are flagging yourself as someone willing and able to help new players through content. You don't wanna do that - then don't put the crown on, simple as that.

[Jojoya]

Extremes are a bit more than “more harder” and you will find more success if you use the party finder. If you don’t want it to be faceroll easy then be sure to make it clear it’s a synced min item level first time clear.

It’s not really up to you what a mentor should be, either. These mentors are human too, with flaws and everything. If someone doesn’t want to hold your hand through harder content they don’t have to.

Looks like you need a review of what a mentor is supposed to be.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...3d2c4227dfdc2e

Let me quote the pertinent information:

- What is a mentor?
Mentors are veteran players who chose to offer their time and experience to help guide new adventurers. To facilitate their assistance, mentors will gain access to a special chat channel as well as a means to easily register for duties and trials with new players.

If someone doesn't want to behave as described by SE, then they should turn off their mentor status. Yes, it means they aren't going to get credit toward the mentor roulette but the mount is a reward for being helpful, not for having a crown attached to your name.

If the player is not acting appropriately for a mentor, they absolutely should be reported so SE can remove them from the program.

[Alleo]

Looks like you need a review of what a mentor is supposed to be.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...3d2c4227dfdc2e

Let me quote the pertinent information:



If someone doesn't want to behave as described by SE, then they should turn off their mentor status. Yes, it means they aren't going to get credit toward the mentor roulette but the mount is a reward for being helpful, not for having a crown attached to your name.

If the player is not acting appropriately for a mentor, they absolutely should be reported so SE can remove them from the program.

The question is, are you still a new adventurer when you are lvl 70 and going into an extreme fight? Because for me someone new is someone at least under 50/60 that is still learning to play their job and might need some help in lower dungeons to get a grip on how to do their job. So for me putting those ex trials in the roulette was already a big mistake from SE because ex trials are not for really new people. This is content that you do with a static or a group that will need to train for a few rounds. Or can someone really say that they find it possible to explain something like Thordan Ex or Nidhogg Ex to complete strangers that might have never even seen the fight? Especially if its from roulette thus the mentor itself might not know about this 100% too.

[Thamorian]

The question is, are you still a new adventurer when you are lvl 70 and going into an extreme fight? Because for me someone new is someone at least under 50/60 that is still learning to play their job and might need some help in lower dungeons to get a grip on how to do their job. So for me putting those ex trials in the roulette was already a big mistake from SE because ex trials are not for really new people. This is content that you do with a static or a group that will need to train for a few rounds. Or can someone really say that they find it possible to explain something like Thordan Ex or Nidhogg Ex to complete strangers that might have never even seen the fight? Especially if its from roulette thus the mentor itself might not know about this 100% too.

That's probably the real issue here. Extreme primals need to be relegated to party finder only. If it is sync'd extreme primal, I'd still consider it "end game", even if not current end game. And you can still be a new player even at lvl 70. First job you play just hit lvl 70, just get your lvl 70 job skill. That lvl 70 job skill changes how you play your job. And they've been skating by with a basic rotation up until then.