Samurai and Red Mage

[Sunako]

Also what do you mean "low"? Its damage is on par with bard's, with nowhere near the utility

But you have to remember bard have that "same" damage only because they have dragoon. If bard can do same dps than rdm that mean rdm is doing 300 dps more than bard. Bard/mch is balanced without disembowel. If you check raid dps calculator even rdm can reach 6.7k + raid dps contribution. If their damage would get boosted 200 - 300 they could be close to meta.

[Dualgunner]

But you have to remember bard have that "same" damage only because they have dragoon. If bard can do same dps than rdm that mean rdm is doing 300 dps more than bard. Bard/mch is balanced without disembowel. If you check raid dps calculator even rdm can reach 6.7k + raid dps contribution. If their damage would get boosted 200 - 300 they could be close to meta.

I can hit purple MCH without Dragoon, therefore I can surmise that your statement isn't necessarily true. I'll cede most high parsing BRD/MCH have that added damage boost, however it's not a good comparison to just compare 75th percentile to 75th percentile, because 75th percentile can be easily reached without that damage boost for instance.

Also can you link the specific logs where RDM hits 6.7k+ with rDPS? I'm looking at Jump Man's best Demon Chad his rDPS drops to 6.3k. https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...qT3wMxhkr8BY/7 and likewise with his God Kefka clear https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...qT3wMxhkr8BY/7, and he's one of the best RDM there are, so I don't know where else to look.

[Sunako]

Also can you link the specific logs where RDM hits 6.7k+ with rDPS?

There is atleast one.
https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...7MzXTDgCYL2/45
second
https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...c78aDbz1Hhy6/6

[Dualgunner]

There is atleast one.
https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...7MzXTDgCYL2/45

Hm...that's their personal DPS though, too. Their embolden almost completely got eaten away by all the buffs that RDM was getting. That is, however, a really good speedkill, and I'll cede that in the upper 99th to 100th percentile, when Chad dies at just before the 7 minute mark, RDM can get near 6.7k DPS.

[Shurrikhan]

Hm...that's their personal DPS though, too. Their embolden almost completely got eaten away by all the buffs that RDM was getting. That is, however, a really good speedkill, and I'll cede that in the upper 99th to 100th percentile, when Chad dies at just before the 7 minute mark, RDM can get near 6.7k DPS.

If the buffs received and given are roughly equal, that pDPS is also their rDPS, though. And it's a solid second place among the DPS. That's really not bad.

The larger worry to me is simply... what if there had been a second caster?

SMN receives rDPS benefits, potentially, from having casters (albeit at sacrifice to less windowed physical rDPS), while BLM doesn't care, and RDM... loses rDPS from there being another caster? That shouldn't be a thing, be it for RDM or Monk (or quite likely even DRG, in the other direction, though that comes down to a more specific damage type).