Do You Want Revisions or a New Game?

[LalaRu]

I remember, at times of 2.0, that someone on devs side said that relic was intended to be best alternative to the current raid BiS weapon.

But, patch after patch, relic kept behind by a long run, and the new steps to get it were so much more grinding than a Korean mmo (I'm sure some of you remember the Atma farming madness when it were implemented, and what it was the successive step…), with the result now the relic is just sorta of glamour for people that have some time to spare. Relic weapon was a nice idea but now is a dead thing.

Make that alive again may be a nice thing.

[Rufalus]

They can get a lot more mileage from this game by just injecting new ideas. There are definitely things that cannot be done without starting from scratch on a new game but I don't think we are close to desperately needing that yet. With a new game we could get more advanced character creator, overhauled combat system (faster GCD, no more tab-target style?), different game design that doesn't gate the whole game behind MSQ story progress, etc. Personally I'd probably be on board with another 10 years of XIV though.

[kikix12]

Square Enix is not a small studio that can do one thing at a time. They are fully capable of having a team continue working on FFXIV, another team (or teams) working on single player games or games like FFXV and yet another team working on a completely new MMO.

FFXIV is unique in how it plays, but it is "trapped" by this as well. As a result it's a game that just doesn't have the kind of impact it have a potential for, and some of those "faults" aren't even really big or hard to change. But it does fill a most desired niche and I see no reason why it should stop.

I WOULD want an MMO in the Final Fantasy universe that does try to offer something more however. An entirely new game developed in parallel to FFXIV. With horizontal gear progression among others, either a GOOD class/job system (the one used in FFXIV was absolutely destroyed by the very people that made it...which is quite hilarious when it was literally only a title change from the beginning) or lack of it thereof from the get-go (of course I WANT different jobs). No "holy trinity" design, giving the team a choice in how to approach tanking with all classes having some basic means of healing (possibly a based on a choice, maybe make classes chose between a "healing tree" a "tank tree" and "DPS tree" while inside the dungeon which would change several skills, not all). Stuff like that.

[Riardon]

I don't need a new game if XIV updates itself in the areas it struggles. XIV is heavily outdated on some MMORPG aspects it shouldn't.
Graphics, Character Creation Screen, Maps, Gameplays and UI features.
The 1.0 disaster still hurts the game even now because they had to use the same crappy coding and graphics engine.
They never expected XIV to become so massively successful. They just wanted few thousand players in the launch to make back they money the lost with Dalamud falling down.
Instead they got millions of players and years of enduring success.
This is good indeed as the game revived and is healthy.
The problem is that now its struggling to grow and advance more because it hits the 1.0 walls again and again.
No HD textures, broken shadows, no AA methods, bad and super limited Character Creation choices (lol 3-4 faces and options at most categories), can't log in back to houses, took years to add housing plots and all of them taken again, glamour system is still in infancy, still no number values on the TP bars, horrible object culling for housing objects (hard limit 40 interactive items), and PCs/NPCs (can't view them despite having the hardware to do so), the game is still using ~2GB of RAM, bad audio engine (unstable and can't switch output device while in game).
All those have an effect on gameplay formula as well. For example they can't add interesting overworld content since the game engine and servers can't handle more than ~100 ppl in one place.
They always hit walls of limitations everywhere and this is the reason we can't have cool things such as castle sieges or large scale battlefield type of content.

[Eloah]

I don't even know where to start. My opinion isn't so much on the current status of the game, but why so many people have rose-tinted glasses or nostalgia goggles when talking about XIV in comparison to any other MMO. Times change, and MMOs change too, as dictated by the times. Using XI as a reference, there are as many people saying XI was/is better, as there are saying XI sucked until a lot later in its life. But XI was made at a time when slow paced MMOs were common, and today MMOs need to be fast paced, like XIV. I'm not daying XIV is without its flaws, but the player base needs to use a bit more tact than just saying "start over".

Also keep in mind tgat as technology advances, games get harder to produce, and companies don't always pay their employees well. The "realistic" qualities we expect come at the colt of time, and the quick solutions come at the cost of quality. That's why no butts, and clipping are a thing. Though I don't have a butt, so that's real to me, lol

Besides, while I am not a veteran MMO player, what I have heard from those that are is that, XIV isn't doing anything completely different in regards to its patch cycles. Its always various forns of familiar content mixed in with hints of new.

[Tanathya]

You're not wishing for older content to remain relevant though. You want the drops in this content to remain relevant. You want something like an ARR or HW relic to be a viable, if not BiS for endgame, am I not correct? If so, that goes back to XI progression vs XIV progression. There is another time, and another place to talk about that. And there will be a lot that I will agree with you pertaining to that, I am sure.

We can argue all day about what we experienced with ToAU, as it really sounds like we experienced completely different things. Which is fine, but one thing you need to get straight is I am not saying you're wrong about anything. What I will never agree with you on though is that nothing changed with ToAU, and I can attest to the very same things I claim.

I will agree with you on besieged, it was horrible. Campaigning also wasn't a whole lot of fun either, unless you were maxed out and could feel like you were actually contributing, which kind of defeated the purpose of it. What it really sounds like is you are in favor of drastic changes, and are every bit as biased as I am when it comes the current state of FFXIV. That is fair, and I respect that. At the end of the day, I am fine with the game as is and you are the one who has to decide if there is enough enjoyment in it to continue. Should drastic change come, then that predicament shifts over to me assuming the changes are favorable to you and other players. The cards they've shown many times over is a struggle to find balance, and the playerbase isn't making it any easier for them.

There you go again. I've always wished they did away with item levels so the older content was still relevant, so you couldn't be more wrong. It isn't about XI vs XIV progression, it's the fact that FFXIV vertical progression is so aggressive, their own content gets irrelevant after a couple of patches.

Again with ToAU, that didn't change things as much as it added new content. By the way, Campaign came out with WotG.

And you're wrong again, I don't want things changed for FFXIV. Like I said, I don't hold any hope for this game, I barely play it, and it's been stale for around 3 years. Whenever they've tried to change it by adding something new a la Diadem, they failed hard, so no, I do not want nor do I expect any changes. Had you asked me a couple of years ago, I would've said probably.

I don't even know where to start. My opinion isn't so much on the current status of the game, but why so many people have rose-tinted glasses or nostalgia goggles

Can we please stop belittling others by wrongfully overusing this reference to those damn glasses? Can we accept the fact that people may actually, objectively think that something is far better despite being old?

[Eloah]

Can we please stop belittling others by wrongfully overusing this reference to those damn glasses? Can we accept the fact that people may actually, objectively think that something is far better despite being old?

It's not belittling, it's just the realization. People are mentioning what is great about so many other games, which is fine, but they aren't mentioning their faults either; faults that most likely mimic the issues people have with XIV. Now, this is my first MMO, so I have no frame of reference besides what others have said, but I've seen just as many people praise XI and WoW as I have people showcase their flaws in comparison to XIV. Is XIV flawed, sure, what game isn't in some way, but you have to consider everything on both ends.

A good example for this is FFVII. VII is a good game no question, but it has some glaring flaws too. One being its story telling, not it's story, it's story telling. That is most likely a result of the 2D to 3D transition.

I'm not trying to start anything since, as I mentioned before, this is my first MMO, so I don't know anything else. But it is frustrating to see the same complaints without any context.

[Dyvid]

I do think Yoshi-P needs to give us player polls again at the mid life of the current expansion to get a feel of where the community is and where we want to go. It worked great for to build 2.0 so it was a great idea they should have kept using.

[Gemina]

There you go again. I've always wished they did away with item levels so the older content was still relevant, so you couldn't be more wrong. It isn't about XI vs XIV progression, it's the fact that FFXIV vertical progression is so aggressive, their own content gets irrelevant after a couple of patches.

Again with ToAU, that didn't change things as much as it added new content. By the way, Campaign came out with WotG.

And you're wrong again, I don't want things changed for FFXIV. Like I said, I don't hold any hope for this game, I barely play it, and it's been stale for around 3 years. Whenever they've tried to change it by adding something new a la Diadem, they failed hard, so no, I do not want nor do I expect any changes. Had you asked me a couple of years ago, I would've said probably.

And there you go again. "You're wrong". "Wrong again.". "Nope still wrong". How about we just agree to disagree as your stubbornness is quite tiring. Too bad you couldn't get what you were looking for through FFXIV. Maybe the next one. Or just try playing a game that suits your tastes. Perhaps go to back XI, or just stay away from SE altogether as they seem to continuously disappoint you.

[Tanathya]

And there you go again. "You're wrong". "Wrong again.". "Nope still wrong". How about we just agree to disagree as your stubbornness is quite tiring. Too bad you couldn't get what you were looking for through FFXIV. Maybe the next one. Or just try playing a game that suits your tastes. Perhaps go to back XI, or just stay away from SE altogether as they seem to continuously disappoint you.

When I reiterate how utterly wrong you are is when you assume what I want. This isn't about my stuborness, it's about you twisting what I'm saying. So yes, you are, indeed, wrong, I do not want those things you say I want. If you don't like people pointing out the fact that you're wrong, maybe start reading and stop assuming? I never said I want FFXI things in FFXIV either, so what do you know about what I'm looking for. I'll play whatever I want, complain about what I want, and go back to FFXI if I so desire.