Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
ive played other mmos, and have done raiding in ffxi. And the older games there never really was a need to tell your friend not to play ,because old school raids were more a function of time than skill. You just showed up in a group and worked out your role. There really wasn't the whole professionalization of the metagame in many earlier mmos.
Then I would LOVE to hear the name of the MMO you played. I played WoW over 10 years ago, and if you tell me can walk into a raid with less skill ... then I know you're not being honest. Meta wasn't as "popular" seemly because the internet wasn't as active back then, but people still checked your gears, your enhancement. They also look at your numbers during the pull. Sure, you can sneak in large raid or casual like the 24men or Primal EX equivalent, but no way you gonna get a slot in stuffs like Heroic Raid without know your class inside out.


And I've also seen what happens when one person chooses the raid over their friend.
Like I said, being friends - real friends - is also about respecting each other needs. Being friends don't mean, or shouldn't mean the obligatory or possessive type of "we must be together 24/7 and do everything together". I have RL friends play various MMO with me, but they are very casual. They know I'm interested in end game, and they don't. But they know what are my raid nights, and they respect those time. But outside of that, we have fun, hang out and chill with each others. In fact, I bought a casual friend of mine in this game a house right across mine. We helped each others farming material for our workshop, talk crap in our personal link-shell ...etc... But at the same he's never one that you can take into an end game raid beyond EX - Primal, he doesn't have the commitment for it. We're been together since 2.0, and he's actually like the only casual in our niche group, with one other guy are even more HC then me. But this guy never once ask us "hey, can you take carry me in your raid because I want the loot LOL". Real friend, with real respect, don't do that to each others.


Because raids really do take a lot of time.
And this is, again, why I have to question your claim about your end game experience. It's very warped and skew. Do you know people in HC or even just MC groups tend to keep their friends really well? Because outside of the few week of progression, these people don't spend a lot of time in raid. For example this week my group clear 5-8 in about 2h on Tuesday. Guess what we do for the rest of the week? Running map, holding events, wiping in 24men, farming mats for workshop with our 'casual' friends. In fact, the people who actually have to spend a lot of time in raid are usually the casual people who don't have static and have to pug. See the oxymoron in your perception here?

Discord? lol. You end up on the raid discord, because you spend more time with the static and do things that are important to them.
Like I said, you ask most people who are in a cross-server static, we spent very little time with our actual static outside of raid.

I think a lot of people don't realize this happens until its too late.
No, what I don't think you realize is you're talking a lot of these base on your assumption prejudice, as someone who are actually in this, I can tell most of your views are either warped, or far from what the actual truth is.