Mechanisms of a playable Lupin race

[Rongway]

So with the Lupin, it seems almost a given for Amaterasu to be their Primal, but she could also be the final boss of Heaven-on-High in context, but that kind deflates her importance to the three treasures.

Amaterasu should be summoned through another Kojin relic, though.

Declaring her intent to rule over Doma once more, she holds aloft a Kojin relic, and begins to draw upon crystals hidden within the surrounding supply crates, transforming at last into the primal Tsukuyomi.

If Susano and Tsukuyomi are both summoned through Kojin relics, surely Amaterasu will be as well. The three are a set.

(PS: They already used all three pieces of the Japanese Imperial Regalia on Susano. Watch his summoning cutscene again.)

[KisaiTenshi]

Amaterasu should be summoned through another Kojin relic, though.

If Susano and Tsukuyomi are both summoned through Kojin relics, surely Amaterasu will be as well. The three are a set.

(PS: They already used all three pieces of the Japanese Imperial Regalia on Susano. Watch his summoning cutscene again.)

Aware of that, but you're conflating two separate lore things as being the same.

https://www.ancient.eu/Amaterasu/

Japanese nobility also claimed descent from the goddess when prior to the cave episode she took Susanoo’s sword, broke it into three pieces, ate them and then spat them out as three female deities. Likewise, Susanoo took from his sister her necklace of 500 jewels, ate them and spat them out as a mist from which formed five male deities. Collectively, these eight deities were believed to be the ancestors of the Japanese nobles.

Wouldn't be a stretch of that's the plot to Heaven-on-high instead.

At any rate my point, again, is that there can be no less than three kami's in play because of the Japanese relics for the Doma area are key to that. Amaterasu also involves a mirror.

https://www.ancient.eu/Amaterasu/

The Ise Grand Shrine or Jingu, the most important Shinto shrine in Japan, is dedicated to Amaterasu and the goddess is represented there by one of her other symbols - an octagonal mirror (yata kayami).

Back on topic though. There is another thread entirely for discussing about wanting to add the Lupin's, let's just leave this thread to discussing how they fit into the game already, technical reasons being one of them.

My view is that the Lupin and Viera (name dropped in 4.3) could both be added to the game, as playable races, but we're probably asking for too much of a retcon without first establishing that yes, they are an actual civilized population, not merely a subjugated beast tribe as we've been hinted to. The term "Lupin" itself is not even of eastern origin, it's latin "Lupine" for "of the wolf". They would have been "okami" which is literately "(Japanese) Wolf" had they been originally native to the area. So maybe the Lupin we see in Doma aren't even from "Doma region" but maybe they were refugees from some place in Garlemald originally. Remember that the Garleans consider Eorezeans as savages, so they would likely have the view point that the Lupin, Viera, Au Ra and Miqo'te are talking animals taken humanoid form. Or maybe the developers just picked Lupin because it would cause less confusion since the Kojin refer to "kami"'s. Or maybe to avoid confusing it with the "okami" game.

Aside from my screenshot during 4.0 , I've not seen the large Lupin anywhere else.

There are four F.A.T.E's that involve Lupin that I'm aware of:

Crying Wolves

Lupin who have, for one reason or another, been driven from their packs will oft end up members of small independent parties which seek revenge on those they believe wrong them─which, in their mind, ends up being everyone but themselves.

1/3 Scared Straightheart

While indeed many of the Lupin can prove difficult or even deadly, Gaei Straightheart is an honorable youth with a passion to right wrongs and defend those unable to defend themselves. That said, his passion for do-goodery oft runs him afoul with less-than-savory characters─characters not unlike those surrounding him now...

2/3 Wolves of a Feather

Alerted to their brother's plight, several of Gaei's pack have hurried to his side to assist in driving back those who would do him harm. Join the Lupin in their fight to defend Gaei.

3/3 Goodwill Hunterling

Seeing their fortunes falter with the arrival of Gaei's pack, Straightheart's assailants summon forth their final weapon─an ill-reputed Kojin mercenary known as Wakizashi the Hunterling. Put him down, and the rest may finally admit defeat.

That chain of 3 F.A.T.E's is not all that different from the Qiqirn chain in Eastern Thanalan. The nameless beasties summon a named beastman.

It's my opinion that for all intents, at present, SE's current incarnation of the Lupin are designed to be the same as the Namazu and and Qiqirn (basically they're a race that is on normally good terms with the other "player" races.) There are hostile versions on the field, but they're otherwise not arranged like the other beast tribes where there is an entire territory under the protection of a primal/kami/god/etc. The Ananta however are a beast tribe, and have summoned a primal, despite also having the same hostile variation on the field and a friendly version that acts as allies (like the Sylph.) The Sylph are the only beast tribe that we can actually see who's been enthralled since the touched ones are purple. All other beast races look nearly identical to their enthralled version except for a color change on what passes for clothing. The goblins are also something of a unique situation, because the "friendly" goblins look the same as the enemy goblins in the ARR region, but the Idyllshire goblins look different from the Illuminati goblins in the ruins and in Alexander. So the goblins have, their own city (Idyllshire) that they basically took over from the Sharlayans, they have a their own shop npc's, they have their own primal, and the goblins are not enthralled to their primal, and unlike the other beastmen tribes, they do NOT have their own currency or beast tribe quests.

That's at least how I see the direction for the existing Lupin going. If they were to make them like the Goblins where we do find an entire city they take up residence in, or the Mi'qote/Au Ra tribal area that everyone just hangs out at, without worshiping a specific primal, then they might actually be good candidates for playable races. If however they do introduce a primal for them, then it's likely the lupin will just be yet-another-beast-tribe. At present they do not have any hangout, so maybe after we rebuild the Doman Enclave we might see more of them.

[Rofel]

We should paint Ala Mhigans as a beast tribe since they summoned Shinryu. Gibe daily quests.