Ridoraba 3rd Boss got nerfed ?

[TaleraRistain]

It's kind of on subject but the name of the prime number move in English bugs the hell out of me. In mathematics, you say that a number is indivisible by a specific other number when it cannot be divided by that number without a remainder. It's not common to refer to prime numbers this way, since all numbers are divisible by 1 and themselves. It's just with prime numbers, these are the only things they are divisible by. I'm curious what it gets translated to in other languages or what it is in Japanese.

[BillyKaplan]

I am not going to lie... First time I ran it, I forgot my prime numbers too because it has been decades since I dealt with anything specifically with prime numbers. I just happened to get lucky with them, but prime numbers aren't really what I would call general things one would use in everyday life. Certain fields of work, yes, they would use them a lot.

Which is why they wrote down all relevant primes (up to 13) and most of the 2 and 3 multiplications on the notes on the robots before the boss. They're not that mean, but most people don't stop to read it, and if they do, they might not memorize it fast enough before the boss is pulled.

[Vhailor]

And look, math in general is rough precisely because most people's lives don't deal with symbolism and abstraction to high levels. People learn calculation by rote teaching and drilling, but go to a community college basic algebra class, and you find a lot of adults struggle with that. You don't go out and calculate how tall of a ladder you need by geometry when you need to get to the roof, like the word problems say. If you are in STEM careers, that abstraction is very valuable because so much of that work is logical and symbolic, but I don't think most people would pass a basic algebra test if it were administered.

I taught pre-calc and calculus courses as a graduate teaching assistant for four years at a flagship state university. Given that half the students I encountered there couldn't pass a basic algebra test - despite being relatively fresh from high school, and accepted to a university no less - I can assure you, the above statement is entirely accurate.

[kikix12]

First time I ran it, I forgot my prime numbers too because it has been decades since I dealt with anything specifically with prime numbers.

Everyone deals with prime numbers daily. It's just that people don't really name them. It's like you can push a fish on the frying pan naturally to even out the frying, without even knowing that it is a specific cooking technique that is named and is technically acknowledged as "french" technique.

That being said, the numbers that are present in this raid are something people will deal with on a daily basis. I wonder how these people manage not to be swindled away when doing shopping or getting their salaries if they can't do fundamental math like that.

[ElHeggunte]

It's kind of on subject but the name of the prime number move in English bugs the hell out of me. In mathematics, you say that a number is indivisible by a specific other number when it cannot be divided by that number without a remainder. It's not common to refer to prime numbers this way, since all numbers are divisible by 1 and themselves. It's just with prime numbers, these are the only things they are divisible by. I'm curious what it gets translated to in other languages or what it is in Japanese.

This would matter more as an argument if the boss didn't literally tell you to set yourself to a Prime. It personally took me multiple runs to realize his cast was even called "Indivisible" because I always read his actual verbal command which specifically states "Prime".

I mean, you're not wrong. Indivisible is probably a poor choice of word by the localization team. But as the boss tells you what to do anyway, the name of the ability itself is largely irrelevant when it comes to understanding the mechanic.

[KisaiTenshi]

That being said, the numbers that are present in this raid are something people will deal with on a daily basis. I wonder how these people manage not to be swindled away when doing shopping or getting their salaries if they can't do fundamental math like that.

Well, if you pay by card, you're not going to get ripped off unless the merchant with the POS (Point of Sale) mis-keys it. That's why chip+pin, tap-to-pay and apple-pay show you the amount you're being charged and you should never hand your card to someone. If you must use the swipe, you swipe yourself.

Getting paid or doing shopping doesn't require you to use math. Come to think of it, all the math I really use outside of programming/spreadsheet/graph abuse (literately I generate graphs out of numbers that people can't understand) is when adding gratuities to the restaurant bill, or buying items in quantities at the store, and double-checking that whatever discount applied is on the actual receipt at the self-checkout. One time in the last 3 years was something wrong. Prior to that, I had been overcharged by 100$ by a restaurant about 10 years prior, because the merchant mis-keyed 10.00 as 110.00 and I saw it briefly when I used the card, but it didn't register in my mind what was wrong until I checked the receipt when I got home. That was a three month ordeal that I wound up with 100$ in gift certificates for.

Suffice it to say, even when we use math, sometimes we are so used to things just working that when they go wrong it's just not going to register. With the advent of Apple Pay, you actually see the amount you are being charged on your device, even if you use those cards without using apple pay. So now you have a "you paid X.XX to BUSINESS NAME" message sitting on the phone/ipad when you get home if you forgot to take it with you.

[kikix12]

1) People that play this game are old enough to remember time when hard cash was used quite frequently.
2) Apple Pay and all those fancy methods are not used by everyone and not available in every country, while there are numerous countries from which players are logged onto the NA servers.
3) There are still places where none of that matters. The business will simply not accept anything short of cash. That's something you are very likely to be forced into whenever you leave your country for another that uses different currency.


On a different note, math is used far more than when counting numbers. Great deal of math is as natural to humanity as biology. Whenever you cut off a slice of pie, pour soup into the plate for more than yourself, recharge your phone. Those are all instances where math is used naturally.

If you have two oranges and are going to visit someone with three children, do you need to use "math" to know that two oranges are too few to give each of them one?! No. You do that instinctively, but that's nothing more than 2-3=-1. People can count that kind of math. Just about everyone can. Learning disorders inhibit the written, number, form. But I have real doubt to believe that someone that cannot read a number at all could actually reach lvl70 in an RPG game. Brain "calculates" a lot of things. If it was unable to do that, the person would be in a vegetative state. Therefore there is no one active unable to count basic numbers.


Excuses because someone doesn't feel like paying attention are just that. Excuses. At least be honest (I don't mean specifically you, but those that complain about the math there or keep failing it) and say that you don't feel like doing anything beyond mashing buttons.


And if people nowadays really can't, for whatever reason, count, subtract, add, divide and multiply to 10...then I simply have no words. None that would not be extremely offensive, anyway.

[KisaiTenshi]

3) There are still places where none of that matters. The business will simply not accept anything short of cash. That's something you are very likely to be forced into whenever you leave your country for another that uses different currency.
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My mom who worked at a tourist place, has mentioned many times how foreigners will just hand the cashiers large bills (primary foreigners, though US tourists do this to despite speaking English) and will even walk away without getting their change because they don't know which bills are what value. I found that strange, but coins just confuse tourists.

[kikix12]

I found that strange, but coins just confuse tourists.

From my point of view...it's not that coins confuse tourists. It's that some countries have coins that seem to have been designed to promote "hide and seek" game, with the user being the one that seeks the coins value...Like, literally. I had in my hand coins that had their date of being minted in larger numbers than their value. And their value wasn't characteristic nor in any way underlined to make it a focal point at all. It's like they were a nice, little picture on a piece of metal...oh, and serving in trade as a side note.

You need to understand that size of coins and their shape is absolutely irrelevant. There is only one kind of entity that cares about it universally, and that's a coin machine of any sort. For blind people it may be relevant only in their country of origin. Due to how different denominations may have varied sizes depending on the country (for example comparing 1 euro and 1 dollar).

Then there's also the fact that USA have entirely different system. There is cent, dime, nickel. I can know what half dollar and quarter dollar is...but dime and nickel?! Huh?! I'd need to look it up.

In Europe and, well, just about any country that normally uses metric system as well I recon, it's 1X (like 1 euro cent), 10X (like 10euro cents), 20X, 50X and so on. There is always a number and name of the value. 100 of the lower denomination (like cents) is a higher denomination (like a dollar/euro). And that's all. Then it's just pure math, you don't need to know absolutely anything about anything of that country. Just numbers. In USA I'd need to know what is nickel and what is dime as well.

And please, go ahead. Show me a mathematical value of this coin (on it, not on outside source).

It's like with time (AM/PM?!, 12AM is midday or midnight?! Not even English language professors know the difference, and it further varies between countries.), weight...well, the entire number systems. Just compare this to this. Knowing two tables in metric system, you can count to any number of any field. In imperial knowing two tables you don't even know half of it. There were catastrophes caused by these differences (tankers falling apart, satellites crashing down into ocean etc.). And you expect a random foreigner to understand the differences when he could go to a dozen other countries and not even know there is any other way of doing it?!
Do you even know what "milliard" is? No? If you expect people to know what a dime or nickel is, then you should know what miliard is. That's 1 000 000 000, in USA called billion. In Europe it's million, milliard, billion, billiard etc, while in USA it's million, billion, trillion, quadrillion etc.


These differences, however, have nothing to do with math itself. It's linguistics. The meaning of words is language. And unfortunately...mathematical language skills are not taught at foreign language classes, hence why so many people cannot understand the billion=milliard issue or the lower denominations of your coins.