DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[Nabril]

Is it fair to drop a number on a DPS when there's still no legitimate way to put in a meter? I've read multiple times that adding in a DPS meter by using a 3rd party program (like ACT) violates the ToS. If that's true then you can't fault someone for not monitoring their DPS. And if they don't monitor it, then they're at a disadvantage because they may not know they need to improve.

I think the people who are assigning these numbers should focus their efforts on convincing SE to add in a meter so that we don't have to try and figure out how to do it ourselves.

[Maero]

Well, I main a NIN too and while I start with around 5k damage, it died down pretty fast midway to a low 4k range... No exactly sure why but I guess as a utility user, our dps are slightly disadvantaged.

I believe so long as we pull a decent dmg and giving enough utility, high damage shouldn't be that much of main priority for NIN.

Thanks for replying. Yeah i guess it is the price to pay but i was getting rather depressed having the lowest damage out of our group, lol
I think 4.5 is the highest thus far for me and we have not cleared 07S yet

[RLofOBFL]

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No no no. Do not listen to that. If you were to then why would someone take a 4.5k Ninja with a rdps gain of 500 over a SAM that did 6.5k when they can have a 6.5k NIN with 500 rdps. Ninja is a part of the Meta because it does a lot of damage and provides utility, not one or the other. To be extremely blunt, in a fight like O6s with your gear you should be doing a lowball of 5.3k minimum in a bad comp, deathless. Granted NIN imo is hard, as I play it occasionally with less than thrilling dps, but that doesn't excuse doing such low dps. I do 4.5k on my PLD with a bad comp. Practice makes perfect. There are very useful guides out there by just Googling, and dummies are abundant to hit.

[Ilan]

I know this has nothing to do with anything, but WHM enmity isn't exactly because their heals are just that crazy powerful. It's just that, for whatever reason, WHM is the only healer that has all of it's heal directly effected by enmity.
ASTs Earthly Star doesn't draw enmity from it's heal, only the damage while also having built in enmity reduction from sects. SCHs enmity is split between it's fairy.

Sorry, I felt the urge to mention that. As for the rest of your post, 100% agree with it all.

WHM emnity is probably a result of the HoT's.

Nabril SE wont implement a ingame DMG Meter because they think that the com will become toxic to low dps players. What they don't realise is that a lot of the pc players already parse and only a handfull is a jerk and they'll be that without a parser too.

[DaulBan]

I think the people who are assigning these numbers should focus their efforts on convincing SE to add in a meter so that we don't have to try and figure out how to do it ourselves.

They won't, full stop. To them it's in their best interest to allow ACT to exist passively by not enforcing the rule and still keep the specter of a ToS violation over people's heads to stop naming and shaming for numbers. In lots of threads throughout the last few years arguments about how effective that strategy is, given that harassment rules still exist and an overwhelming part of the raiding community parses anyways and is open about it.

SE is more worried about (I presume) people getting nasty in dungeons which could discourage new, particularly leveling, players. People who could quit the game over a snarky comment.

The reason why people establish seemingly arbitrary DPS thresholds for acceptability is somewhat multifaceted on its own.

• Case A

You're party lead and you don't like how slow the farm is going. If someone is doing less DPS than the tanks then you might want to kick them so that you can (hopefully) get someone better and move on with the farm. You don't need to give a reason for kicking someone so you can kick for DPS and the kicked person has no recourse.

• Case B

You're in a party as any role and you don't wanna carry. I join a lot of random PF parties as warrior and the number of them where 2 or 3 DPS are doing less damage than me is sorta staggering. In a case like O6S I might not want to do second flash gale as PLD/DRK and I might hop out if the DPS look like they're trying to lick the salt off the walls.

In either respect the community itself puts acceptability levels for damage done (~2500 in creator, ~4000 in Delta, ~5000 in sigma) in order to make their fights go by smoother, and then act on people not meeting them in nonpunishable ways.

[Crystal_Raven]

If you get 4k damage in full BiS as a DPS class, you're terrible at your job. That's not to say you're garbage tier.

The people who belong in the garbage tier are those who are terrible, think they good, and refuse to improve. Those are garbage tier. Someone who knows they are bad, those can be taught and shown how to improve.

[MageBlack]

This is only reinforcing SE's reasons for not allowing Parsers. Good job.

[kikix12]

Before you start spamming me with messages (to be honest, I don't even know who knows my discord), I have already started the process of deleting my in-game character and all. Again, I apologize and did not mean to start a fire like this. Can everyone relax now?

An advice for the future and for all games you decide to play. For others as well.

Never delete anything. Never throw away anything. Never give anything to others. Let it stay there even if you decide to not use it. It won't hurt nor cost you anything. If you won't use it...who cares. But if you do delete something and then want to get back to the game...you will regret it. For no reason at all. Deleting stuff to not have what to return to is never going to work. It'll just make the return, which at the point the need for that will pop up again (if it will), that much more painful.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

On the SSS dummy today I did avg 4300 as 361 BRD, 5200 as 352 RDM, 5300 as 352 BLM, and 4200 as 350 Nin. I also did 3850 as War and 3600 WHM. I am Melded and I was not using pots or food.

So I guess I will be in the garbage tier but it only gets worse. In actual raiding, I am sure I do less because I have a hard time keeping up my rotations while fighting Extreme bosses. I need to look at my hotbar to see my combos and cooldowns/procs and when mechanics get heavy I end up looking at the floor and monster cast bar instead.

I don't really get to watch the fight much while I am doing all this and I am jealous of people who can. However, I suspect there are a lot of people like me. We do research our rotations and openers and we do not cast ice all the time as BLM or skip playing songs as BRD. Some of us just struggle to watch an entire screen of actions and our proc/cooldown/combos at the same time. In my case, I also never learned how to play using wasd to move so I use my mouse and I don't know if that hurts me or not.

I think hotkeys are also hurting my scores. I use f1-f4, 1-6, q-t, a-g, and v (q and e are my strafes and w is forward) Anything past 4,r, and f is awkward for me and shift+ is difficult and uncomfortable but I find them necessary to use because of all the buttons we use.

We are trying our best!

I aught to unlock the SSS dummies for stormblood and see how well I'm doing on my Samurai, since that's all I have gear for, and even then I'm only at i315 atm...

the number from a parser doesn't actually you anywhere near as much as some people think there are countless things that can affect it that aren't shown and only some of them are actually under the players control for example as monk there are some fights where you can't do all of you positional because of mechanics and if you use true north for the firts one i'll proobly still been on cd when the next one happens

A parsing program can indeed tell you those things.
But, not in an overlay, it would take going over the full log to show that.

Which is why you don't just look at the dps nuimber when you look up a log.
You look through the log and see why that number is what it is.

[Pyro2hell3]

I aught to unlock the SSS dummies for stormblood and see how well I'm doing on my Samurai, since that's all I have gear for, and even then I'm only at i315 atm...




A parsing program can indeed tell you those things.
But, not in an overlay, it would take going over the full log to show that.

Which is why you don't just look at the dps nuimber when you look up a log.
You look through the log and see why that number is what it is.

you'd think after playing for 3+ years I'd have adjusted to the fact this games players base is far smarter then wows and actually able to use thing correctly most of the time