Has a PUG ever beat UcoB yet?

[Fhaerron]

From what I understand, people do that all the time in the Japanese datacenter

The people playing in the Japanese datacenter are also much better players and higher quality then the players on the NA/EU datacenter.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

From what I understand, people do that all the time in the Japanese datacenter

That would be Savage, not Ultimate. There has been no recorded pug Ultimate clear, though both JP and NA have made good progress. What winds up happening is those pugs turn into a static or join one later on. Once mostly the same people meet for several lockouts, it really isn't a pug anymore.

The people playing in the Japanese datacenter are also much better players and higher quality then the players on the NA/EU datacenter.

This is pure nonsense. JP has more patience for poor play and adopts very rigid "safe" strategies. NA prioritizes uptime and cheesing mechanics. They also are far less tolerant of bad players. It boils down to a cultural difference. JP sees people mess up as a group failure regardless of their own performance whereas NA is individualistic.

Many people from JP servers have commented on reddit the raid pool isn't nearly as good as unofficial censuses make it seem; some have suggested NA has better top tier raiders.

[basketofseals]

This is pure nonsense. JP has more patience for poor play and adopts very rigid "safe" strategies. NA prioritizes uptime and cheesing mechanics. They also are far less tolerant of bad players. It boils down to a cultural difference. JP sees people mess up as a group failure regardless of their own performance whereas NA is individualistic.

Many people from JP servers have commented on reddit the raid pool isn't nearly as good as unofficial censuses make it seem; some have suggested NA has better top tier raiders.

I mean top tier players is one thing, but having 7x the clear rate of NA is something else. It's not like people just go at UCoB for a few weeks and then just give up.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

From what I understand, people do that all the time in the Japanese datacenter

I mean top tier players is one thing, but having 7x the clear rate of NA is something else. It's not like people just go at UCoB for a few weeks and then just give up.

Both HyoMin and Riyah (we actually agree for once!) summarized it more or less. A perfect example of this would be Eureka. Apparently, a frequent complaint in JP was them having nothing to level due to maxing out every job quickly as that's considered progression. While plenty of NA/EU players do the same, myself included, far more see that as a "boring grind." Hence why Eureka was appreciated more in JP than NA/EU, at least initially.

Is that to say NA raiders are all good? Absolutely not. I would still wager JP probably has more overall, but the numbers aren't nearly as skewed.