Stop spamming Medica I & II/diurnal Aspected Helios

[Ruf]

HyoMinPark keep bringing up Savage, where I think Savage is CRAP!

[HyoMinPark]

HyoMyinPark : Go check FFlog, go check Fflog, go check Fflog

I mean, you can’t argue with hard data, my friend. You can certainly try, I suppose, but you’re going to lose.

very good astrologian there.

Why, thank you! I know I am!

surprised you didn't tell me to watch a video lol

Videos have nothing to do with raw numbers.

HyoMinPark keep bringing up Savage*, where I think Savage* is CRAP!

And? I bring it up because you are acting like you are the all-star of healers with your posts in this thread. Yet, there are healers in here that have cleared Savage telling you that you are incorrect in your posts. Yet you choose to insist that you are right.

WE.
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Matters.

We are also not talking about healer DPS or contribution in this thread. Yet, you brought up that argument. Feel free to message me on Discord if you would like to continue it; I’m not going to derail this thread anymore.

[Ruf]

I mean, you can’t argue with hard data, my friend.

Oh I surely can argue with datas because you obviously seem to be unaware that 1% can exist
& no I'm not speaking of your fflogs, I am speaking of HUMANS BEINGS

WE.
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You Hyo

P.s: I am far from your being your friend.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I can, however, do easy napkin math and apply common sense and round figures. I don't need to see parses to know that if a healer does 2k DPS and an actual DPS does 4-6k DPS, that the healer doing 0 DPS is going to add 15-30 seconds onto the total time it takes to kill a 10 minute boss.

And this is why we generally view napkin math as throwaway. Unlike you, I've been in parties where a healer doesn't DPS and the dungeon timer jumps anywhere from 5 to 10 minutes depending on pull sizes. Meanwhile, I'm cleared Kugane Castle in under 10 minutes when everyone was on point. And no, they weren't all raiders either.

Claiming healer DPS contributes only 15-30 seconds to a dungeon run displays how little you understand about numbers and why napkin math isn't a good source. Even boss fights will be spend up considerably more with healer DPS. Regardless, why should healers get to slouch along while DPS and tanks have consistently press all their buttons?

The better the DPS are, the less the healer's contribution is going to matter.

Really? Shall I pull Sebazy's old log of Ala Mhigo where she pulled 12,000 DPS despite also having good DPS? Holy spamming does monstrously high damage. But apparently that doesn't matter.

Oh I surely can argue with datas because you obviously seem to not be aware that 1% can exist
& no I'm not speaking of your fflogs, I am speaking of HUMANS BEINGS

What does human beings have to do with anything? You either heal properly or you don't. This is a simple dichotomy. I couldn't care less about your feelings. You're a stranger to me. Does that mean I'll be rude? Of course not, nor do I expect Savage level parse runs. I do, however, expect you put forth an actual effort. If you do nothing but constantly overheal and scarcely DPS, you aren't putting forward that effort and expecting everyone else to carry you.

[RiyahArp]

Some of us are not MLG. And that's totally fine in my opinion. If I'm not MLG, I don't try to act like MLG and I don't do things like Savage Raids. I know I'm not on that level of play, and I don't have the time and the skill to be on that level of play.

yeah, i think people kind of forget this. I mean, if you are casual and not keen on constant self-improvement and efficiency, savage or ex stuff isn't appealing anyways. I mean too, its not like they are causing you to wipe or are slowing the run down to 30 min. There's so much professionalism in gaming these days, like you treat it like its a second job or college class and those that don't are somehow bad. Like the professionalism of leisure; I think it hurt fighting games a LOT, because it drove off a lot of casual players.

Really? Shall I pull Sebazy's old log of Ala Mhigo where she pulled 12,000 DPS despite also having good DPS?

Ala Mihgo is cherrypicking; it has a lot of small enemies that show up in packs, which can and will inflate DPS amounts. The dogs alone would inflate the dps to pretty ridiculous levels. Have her parse an antitower run for comparison, where you rarely hit more than 6 of them.

[KDSilver]

Damn, being good at healing isn't being human now.

Our lives is a lie.

[Maeka]

And this is why we generally view napkin math as throwaway. Unlike you, I've been in parties where a healer doesn't DPS and the dungeon timer jumps anywhere from 5 to 10 minutes depending on pull sizes. Meanwhile, I'm cleared Kugane Castle in under 10 minutes when everyone was on point. And no, they weren't all raiders either.

Claiming healer DPS contributes only 15-30 seconds to a dungeon run displays how little you understand about numbers and why napkin math isn't a good source. Even boss fights will be spend up considerably more with healer DPS. Regardless, why should healers get to slouch along while DPS and tanks have consistently press all their buttons?

Try reading my post again.

I'm talking about 8-man bosses that are roughly 10 minutes in length, with and without healer DPS. The difference is anywhere between 15-45 seconds per healer who is doing 0 compared to doing 2k (the rough estimate provided to me by HyoMinPark).

Really? Shall I pull Sebazy's old log of Ala Mhigo where she pulled 12,000 DPS despite also having good DPS? Holy spamming does monstrously high damage. But apparently that doesn't matter.

Again, I wasn't talking about dungeons, I was talking about 8 man trial bosses (and/or Delta/Sigmascape).

EDIT: And there's a reason why nobody takes AoE DPS spiking seriously, in the DPS community. Obviously it's easy to spike your DPS numbers by dumping AoEs on a large group of mobs (something that Ala Mihgo has in spades).

And I never made one mention that a healer shouldn't throw DPS in a dungeon, because most trash pulls are really not that hard, especially once you get Benison.

Single-Target (like...8 man bosses), though, our DPS blows and you know it.

Damn, being good at healing isn't being human now.

Our lives is a lie.

Great job!

You guys are really checking off the Logical Fallacy list, box by box. What would that be, slippery slope? Kinda? Or perhaps a Non-Sequitur? It falls somewhere in there.

I never said being good at healing isn't being human. Try reading my post again, without the mindset that you're searching for something to snark at me with and you'll see what I really meant there.

Oh but I'm pretty sure you knew what I meant, you were just looking for something to poke fun at. I mean, do continue the personal attacks... it only helps make your points more valid when you are personal attacking me and I am not personally attacking you.

/sarcasm

[Ruf]

And this is why we generally view napkin math as throwaway. Unlike you, I've been in parties where a healer doesn't DPS and the dungeon timer jumps anywhere from 5 to 10 minutes depending on pull sizes. Meanwhile, I'm cleared Kugane Castle in under 10 minutes when everyone was on point. And no, they weren't all raiders either.

Claiming healer DPS contributes only 15-30 seconds to a dungeon run displays how little you understand about numbers and why napkin math isn't a good source. Even boss fights will be spend up considerably more with healer DPS. Regardless, why should healers get to slouch along while DPS and tanks have consistently press all their buttons?



Really? Shall I pull Sebazy's old log of Ala Mhigo where she pulled 12,000 DPS despite also having good DPS? Holy spamming does monstrously high damage. But apparently that doesn't matter.



What does human beings have to do with anything? You either heal properly or you don't. This is a simple dichotomy. I couldn't care less about your feelings. You're a stranger to me. Does that mean I'll be rude? Of course not, nor do I expect Savage level parse runs. I do, however, expect you put forth an actual effort. If you do nothing but constantly overheal and scarcely DPS, you aren't putting forward that effort and expecting everyone else to carry you.

You know dont my ast dps throught my overhealing, because you just dont.

[KDSilver]

Maeka.

Can you please stop taking every post in this thread for yourself?
I was not talking about you for the 2nd time.

[Ruf]

Maeka.

Can you please stop taking every post in this thread for yourself?
I was not talking about you for the 2nd time.

Who's the audience?