1.20 this week?

[Arcell]

Any time after Dec.20 will be a bad time. With SWTOR coming in that day, your numbers are going to be a lot less than what 1.19 gave. I am sure it won't have a dramatic effect, but I would like to try out the Moogle fight before then, because I know I am going to be investing time into SW, but that is only me.

Honestly I don't think even this game has much to worry about from SWTOR. It'll draw in the hardcore Star Wars fans and the MMO-hoppers but I don't see it getting much bigger than that. From what I've seen/played it's a very traditional and generic MMO with Star Wars paint thrown on and voice overs. Though honestly I may be a bit biased as I'm not a huge fan of Star Wars or Bioware.

I'd say the safe money is on next week. Nov. 30th is about as late as November can get and +10 days from there would put us at Saturday, which they don't patch on. Generally out patches have come out on Thursdays, though I don't know if this is a coincidence or part of the actual plan.

[Molly_Millions]

Generally out patches have come out on Thursdays, though I don't know if this is a coincidence or part of the actual plan.

Probably part of the plan. It makes business sense to have a business day immediately after any patch to be able to have staff available in case shit hits the fan due to a bug or an exploit released with the patch. Where I work, we have releases of new code to production on Thursdays as well.

[Arcell]

Probably part of the plan. It makes business sense to have a business day immediately after any patch to be able to have staff available in case shit hits the fan due to a bug or an exploit released with the patch. Where I work, we have releases of new code to production on Thursdays as well.

Makes sense. And then you have the weekend to let shit go to hell so you have things to do on Monday lol. Honestly it's actually probably best that we have a few days to get used to things before they see our feedback, peak gameplay days at that.

[Velhart]

Honestly I don't think even this game has much to worry about from SWTOR. It'll draw in the hardcore Star Wars fans and the MMO-hoppers but I don't see it getting much bigger than that. From what I've seen/played it's a very traditional and generic MMO with Star Wars paint thrown on and voice overs. Though honestly I may be a bit biased as I'm not a huge fan of Star Wars or Bioware.

I'd say the safe money is on next week. Nov. 30th is about as late as November can get and +10 days from there would put us at Saturday, which they don't patch on. Generally out patches have come out on Thursdays, though I don't know if this is a coincidence or part of the actual plan.

Though it doesn't break away from the MMO formula, it really holds it's own quite well. I played the beta and had to force myself to put it down, because I know the character would be deleted. Right for the most part in regards to the game, but SW's beginning numbers are going to be really high, and continue if end game holds itself real well, which is the true question if SW will be any good or not.

Anyways, my guess is between Dec.10-15 for 1.20, I wish Dev's would come out and say it though.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

word for word with what i think. are you a mind reader brucey? "stay out of my head" lol

Great minds think alike! Really, it's just common sense.

[Duuude007]

Last year's "Starlight Celebration" began on 15 Dec. If they do not plan to delay it this year, the content for that needs to already be in place beforehand.

[Arcell]

Last year's "Starlight Celebration" began on 15 Dec. If they do not plan to delay it this year, the content for that needs to already be in place beforehand.

Though they don't need a patch to start or end any events, and the Starlight Celebration stuff could already be in the game. I don't follow the .dat miners so I wouldn't know. Coincidentally, the 15th is a Thursday so we may see it on the 15th.

[Exni]

Though it doesn't break away from the MMO formula, it really holds it's own quite well. I played the beta and had to force myself to put it down, because I know the character would be deleted. Right for the most part in regards to the game, but SW's beginning numbers are going to be really high, and continue if end game holds itself real well, which is the true question if SW will be any good or not.

Anyways, my guess is between Dec.10-15 for 1.20, I wish Dev's would come out and say it though.

Yeah I agree. Before I wasn't sure if I was going to try SWTOR, especially because I rarely get into that style of MMO, and there was no noticable controller support. I got an invite to the beta a few weekends ago and like you, I couldn't stop playing. Me and a friend were playing for what had to be around 15hrs straight, it just pullllls you in with the open-ended dialougue and gameplay. I even got Xpadder to work AWESOMELY for this (I was the sole healer in all our group content and had almost no problems once I spent an hour/two working out the kinks). Can't wait to rip some KB+M players a new one in PVP, I'm already in need of my TOR fix. I do plan on paying through FFXIVs continued development prior to 2.0, but I am expecting the servers to see a pretty sharp decrease in population at least until 1.21 comes out. I am in a fairly large LS on one of the most populated servers in XIV, and I know about half are at least trying TOR when it launches.

[Mug]

Tentative date which might be completely off.

Now answer me this: What exactly would they benefit from less vague dates when in fact only the topic of bitching would change? From "what do they mean by <vague date>" to "they broke their prommise!!1" when the tentative date doesn't hold after all.

People will "bitch" either way, but then I don't think people are bitching half as much as people like yourself like to point out. I see nothing wrong with some healthy discussion as long as people are polite.

Anyway, if I was Yoshida I would first and foremost give myself more time to get a patch out. And if, by chance, they get it ready earlier, they could release it ahead of time and we'd all be cheering them on instead of getting annoyed that they're delaying stuff again.

I also think that when he decides to give us an idea about when something is coming out, he could use terms like "sometime between the 10th and 20th of December" rather than saying stuff like "roughly ten days after late-november". It's not the first time he has done this. It all started with the infamous "before the end of summer".

This is not me "bitching". I'm just coming up with suggestions that would, in my opinion, help the situation.

[KiniRyris]

I used to guess patch dates, but then... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hHpT...eature=related